The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Keith G wrote:
"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(huge Snip)

Keith! Have you been at the cooking sherry again? :-=))))



Nope (I'm totally tea, azittapens) it's called a 'wake up call'....!!! ;-)






Maybe I am missing something here, but there seems to be two camps, both
trying to claim ownership of the word better (well three at least, as
valve and vinyl are not together for all). But the problem seems to be
no one has talked about what they are better AT.

We have one group of people, who tend (understandably, to be from the
pro audio world) who argue that the better amplifier is one that has the
least effect on the signal, other than making it bigger (or changing it
from a voltage to a current source, anyway). And its easy to see why
this is a good thing, especially for use in monitoring situations. And
they argue (with merit) that they think this should also be the goal for
home use as well. I don't think that anyone on the NG would argue that
its unlikely for a valve amplifier to measure as well as a SS one.

The same goes for CD, it can be shown that the format is more than
adequate for audio reproduction, and the bandwidth and resolution is
more than good enough to produce on their outputs a analogue of what
went into the production of the CD.

Then we have the other group, that argue, that the better amplifier is
the one, that allows the ear/mind to recreate the illusion of the
original performance (cos thats all it is a illusion, there is no
performer there, its just a few things moving, and so moving the air).
In this group (And I place myself in there as well), the use of valves,
in some way (and Andy has expressed this better than I can) allows this
illusion to be much more convincing.

And again the same can be said for vinyl, I much prefer listening to
vinyl, and think (as others such as Keith do), that the resultant sound
is more engaging, and produces a stronger effect of "being there". but I
don't for one minute think that in absolute terms the incredibly crude
process of playing vinyl will provide anywhere as electrically accurate
reproduction of the originally signal.

I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my
thought, doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else
is wrong, and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than
someone else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term
better doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....

Anyway, I should stop reading this group and go and listen to my nice
new Kontrapunct cartridge, through my work in progress 211 SET, (Yes
Keith you win, I did give in and change from the GM70's).

--
Nick

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Hi,

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes

er yes bought a Croft Vitale
http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonde...sc_pre_amp.htm

The other day and getting a couple of there power amps built for my
collection has some nice new ones out

In fact when my next power amp is ready and I go to collect it, the dealers
taking mr for lunch :-)

Also thinking of ordering a
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ar/Neostar.htm

its a bit different

going to have an extension built one room for storing all the stuff and the
other big enough to use two or three set ups at once


Got to talk wife into it :-)

Wrong way around, Dave. You build the extension for your wife. Paint it
pink, put lots of cushions in there and a big mirror (and a wardrobe
that can hold about 100 pairs of shoes). Then move SWMBO in to the
extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of the house for your
toys. Easy.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Then move SWMBO in to the extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of
the house for your toys. Easy.

If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour govt.
you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes them...............
Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In article ,
Andy Evans wrote:
If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour
govt. you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes
them...............

To be replaced with 2,348 of his own, but called consultants so the
figures don't show up as public employees. And he'll sack loads of other
civil service paying them large amounts of redundancy and replace them
with contract workers on a higher salary for exactly the same reason.

Michael Howard for PM? Makes John Major strangely attractive...

--
*Few women admit their age; fewer men act it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:53:41 +0100, Nick Gorham wrote:

I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my thought,
doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else is wrong,
and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than someone
else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term better
doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....


Nicely said, Nick.
I like valves cos they light up - and, for me, its more fun to build valve
amps than s/s. Sitting here, I have a NAD 3020, a pair of Crimson 530
monoblocks, a Quad 33/303 system and a home-built SE triode-connected 6L6
"power" amp (must be almost 2 watts out of its cheap "music-centre"
OPTs...) and at the moment I prefer the latter! My musical appreciation is
probably distorted by the fact that I built it. ;-)

Sometimes I prefer CD as the source - its more convenient -
and sometimes I prefer vinyl for the sound (my vinyl source is better than
my CD player). There is definitely room for both.

Personally, I don't mind whether my amp has a flat response etc so long as
it sounds ok to me... :-)

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

Argued with your usual wit and brilliance.........

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have no
damn clue)

Hmmm, you'd expect them to be the most unbiased, wouldn't you?

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Hi,

In message , Andy Evans
writes
Then move SWMBO in to the extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of
the house for your toys. Easy.

If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour govt.
you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes them...............
Andy

Not a chance. I'd rather saw my legs off with a rusty razor than be
associated with any of the mainstream political parties. Billy Connolly
had it right - "The very desire to be a politician should bar you
forever from being one". ;-)


--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!!

I guess people just respond to what they see, eh Keith? :-)

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

snip usual ********

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions.

Nice to see that you're as receptive to reasoned debate as always.....

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering