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In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots' and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots' and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...


Already seized upon immediately after I sent it Dave!

--
Chris Morriss

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In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots' and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...


Already seized upon immediately after I sent it Dave!

Always the way. ;-)

It's one of nature's fundamental laws that any post seeking to criticise
speling, sintax, or punctuation error's will contain at least one.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots' and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...


Already seized upon immediately after I sent it Dave!

Always the way. ;-)

It's one of nature's fundamental laws that any post seeking to criticise
speling, sintax, or punctuation error's will contain at least one.


Excellent! Even the 'legend in his own lunchtime', SP makes the
occasional one.
--
Chris Morriss

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:26:39 +0000, Chris Morriss
wrote:

In message , Keith G
writes

Why is it these pricks, who think they actually *know*something, manage to
get it so wrong and make themselves look such tits? (He could have read my
post elsewhere and seen my reference to my attendance at a 400 year old
Grammar School and spared himself the embarrassment.. ;-)

Careful Keith, you're REALLY showing your ignorance of English grammer
now. I suggest you stop digging!

Indeed so. Attendance doesn't imply cognisance.................

Clearly, Keith is a fine example of one educated *far* beyond his
ability to comprehend! :-)

He also seems to think that someone out there actually cares about who
is supposedly in his '**** bin'. Same problem, I suppose..............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:17:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots' and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...


Already seized upon immediately after I sent it Dave!

Always the way. ;-)

It's one of nature's fundamental laws that any post seeking to criticise
speling, sintax, or punctuation error's will contain at least one.

I can't afford to pay my syntax!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:17:24 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Chris Morriss wrote:
Through away your copy of 'Yob English for inhabitants of St Neots'
and
^^^^^^^
get an English grammar.

Oh dear...


Already seized upon immediately after I sent it Dave!

Always the way. ;-)

It's one of nature's fundamental laws that any post seeking to criticise
speling, sintax, or punctuation error's will contain at least one.

I can't afford to pay my syntax!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Just as well. Best to avoid the wages of sin :-)

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"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

Reading the comix gives me the impression that the Chinese home market
(big
on AV and buying Yamaha kit by the boatload, apparently) likes 'valves
with
everything' when it comes to audio gear....???? :-)

I don't have the source for this, but I read this a few years back about
this Chinese guy, his hi-fi and his 2 wives.

He ended up buying 3 houses ...

2 for the wives

and the other for his hi-fi gear ...


:-)


Two screen captures from 'Infernal Affairs' (a Kung Foo movie??):

surely you jest? You have seen the movie, haven't you?


Noop.


It is a police/crime movie!


OK


I have the DVD on my shelf, haven't got around to seeing it. Hopefully
there will be a shoot out in the hi-fi shop and all the glass from them
tubes will go all over the shop ...


Make yer happy, would it? :-)

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"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...
Andy Evans wrote:

It is quite possible that we are seeing an "economies of scale" if these
things
are selling fast enough within China itself.

Interesting point - I wonder how well they sell internally.

Slight OT. No idea about how they sell in China, but I can tell you about
other parts of Asia.

And I wonder what
the motivation is to buy them inside China - the sound, or the 'retro'
look and
style becoming a new chic (as it has in those parts)? If it's the sound,
the
sales should endure. If it's the retro-chic, it may be a passing fancy
and in
time may go.

No, it is about the sound. The newly cashed audio buyers over there like
the valve sound.


:-)

(Bit 'wily' these orientals - know a good thing when they see it! ;-)



And they believe in the usual audio mag stuff as well ...
interconnects/cables sounding different,


Interconnects do, speaker cables don't if you start with enough wire.....


valve amps sounding more likelike than SS,


By a country mile.....


vinyl has infinite resolution


**** Nose.


and digital still has a long way to go to match vinyl,


It does, but apparently 24/192's getting close....???


power cords, etc.


What about them?

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The principle of the transistor has not involved, it doesn't matter how
its physical form takes it's still 57 year old technology.

Totally untrue. MOSFETs for instance, work on a completely different
principle from those first transistors, as do junction FETs and tunnel
diodes, while modern devices use silicon, gallium arsenide and other
materials not dreamed of in such an application in 1947. Compare and
contrast with valvies, who seem to think that the best valves were
designed *and made* in the '30s.

OK, so the 300B was invented in 1928.

What a grand contribution that made to hi-fi!

Now the 300B and its directly heated triode brothers and cousins were and remain a
fine
family of tubes with which to reproduce sound if you know what you are doing.
With all due respect to the SET Association of the World,
A very fine amplifier can be made from 300B used in push pull and class A,
perhaps with 12 dB of NFB, but that is gilding the lily, some would say.

Using such hardware is expensive and innefficient, but expense
and inefficiency is inaudible, unless you allow fore the screams of wives and bank
managers.

Some ******* then invented pentoads, and audio amps were then compelled
to rely more on semi linear devices and lots of NFB.

Later some other ******* invented semi conductors, sometimes they conducted,
sometimes they didn't, and then a lot lot more NFB was deemed
appropriate, because they switched on and off while amplifying.

Class A amp use became heretical. Solid state lovers became hysterical.

Thou shalt not waste power the bean counter high priest commanded....

Thou shalt only use class fukkin B, or D, or G, or H or S....


3) A transistor still does what it did 57 years ago does it not?

Not if it's a FET, as are more than 99% of all modern active devices.
As it happens, the output stage of audio power amps is one of the very
few places where you're still in with a good chance of finding a
bipolar transistor.

Yeah, but domestic audio amps still use class A bjt for flea power
gain stages, and class B bjts for the outputs.

I reckon its the price that determines the use.

If mosfets were cheaper for Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, Sanyo, Sony,
Denon, et all then they'd use nothing else but.

But the cheapness of devices was established for the bjts before power
mosfets came onto the scene, and its was hard for them to displace an established
convention.

I prefer to use mosfets when I build SS amps when I ain't building tube amps.

The mosfet gates draw no current, so its easy to construct the high gain
class A bjt based signal amps to drive them.
0.005% thd at 200 watts is very easy to obtain.

Halcro use mosfets in their output stages for 0.0001% thd, even up to 20 kHz, 200
watts.

Perhaps that's where the state of the art is.

More like state of the technology.

Reproducing a recorded sound is like reproducing a visual image.
Its very hard to fool anyone that they are not looking at a photo when they are.
The technical resolution and detail in the photo
can be improved 1000 fold, and the people seeing the photo still
say its a photo.

We need to proceed to creating very accurate holograms before a single sould is
fooled.
It seems we are light years away from such conveyancing of 3D imagery.

Audio technology on the other hand has been closer to fooling people for a long
time.
Deliberate attempts have been made, such as having whole orchestras set up
comprising lots of speakers in place of the performers, and playing multitrack
recordings; its the ultimate poly-amped system.
If done in a theatre, some people could be fooled, but a lot are left wondering
where the fukkin musicians are....

Now some would say a Salvador Dali painting conveys more accuracy than any photo
ever could, because the painting conveys deeper meanings and truths or lies
than a plain old painting ever could. Just what is conveyed in the painted smile on
the Mona
Lisa? And much really dull art is merely art masquerading as photography.
None of the artists of the 18th century who were patronised by the rich would
include
a healthy sneer and large wart on the nose of a noble, let alone a hot little rich
girl
raising her dress. So hogtied was society in old days that Vermeer's Girl with a
Pearl Earing
caused a furore. How dare paint be wasted on a poor girl.
How dare anyone use a vacuum tube. How dare art convey some unfathomable emotion
via its limited technical accuracy.

So I believe it ain't absolutely necessary proceeding beyond a certain point in the
technical
excellence.
So I can embrace the wonders of the vacuum tube and its abilities with music
without disdain, or prejudice, as I could enjoy a fine old wine, and I hope the
wine makers of today can produce a drop which tastes as good in 20 years to those
who follow me.

Patrick Turner.