"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a
moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more
unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of
myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes
the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe.

d

My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people
out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood
for that matter:-) would add a new dimension.

Kunniottaen

Iain

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:56:24 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a
moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more
unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of
myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes
the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe.

d

My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people
out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood
for that matter:-) would add a new dimension.

Kunniottaen

Iain


Ah - sorry, I misread what you wrote. But I think that anybody who has
the stomach to read what goes on here - and it isn't that bad by
Usenet standards - should have the courage to dive in. Sure some of us
get annoyed and may have a bit of a shout. But there aren't too many
who would be deliberately rude to somebody new showing up.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new
showing up.


There are a number of posters who are consistently rude to various amateurs who
- quite rightly - post about their hobby. The 'justification' of this rudeness
is that 'people who peddle myths should be ruthlessly treated'. The same number
of posters responsible for most of the rudeness are themselves the self
appointed judge and jury of what constitutes a myth. A myth can consist of
approximately anything, but in particular anything involving valves and vinyl,
and including subjects which are routinely discussed on a whole number of other
specialist forums, and example being the sound of various componants. Until and
unless the band of Holy 'myth exposers' get down off their pulpits and stop
satirising and insulting members there is no hope for this newsgroup. All the
signs are that they won't, and you bet your life that this post will be
answered by all the usual posts we have seen for years saying that - of course
- they are right and we are all poor misgoided idiots. And so it goes on, and
so it will go on. They will say 'of course it will go on as long as people
peddle myths' and feel fully justified in keeping up their stream of invective.
The rest of us will sigh and use other forums. This is the only newsgroup in
which I killfile members - I don't read or reply to their posts. It sounds
cynical, but I would urge others to do the same. If rude posters consistently
get no response from anyone, they will have no basis for conversation. Then let
them be the ones to have to find other newsgroups to rant on.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

On 10 Dec 2004 13:25:36 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new
showing up.


There are a number of posters who are consistently rude to various amateurs who
- quite rightly - post about their hobby. The 'justification' of this rudeness
is that 'people who peddle myths should be ruthlessly treated'. The same number
of posters responsible for most of the rudeness are themselves the self
appointed judge and jury of what constitutes a myth. A myth can consist of
approximately anything, but in particular anything involving valves and vinyl,
and including subjects which are routinely discussed on a whole number of other
specialist forums, and example being the sound of various componants. Until and
unless the band of Holy 'myth exposers' get down off their pulpits and stop
satirising and insulting members there is no hope for this newsgroup. All the
signs are that they won't, and you bet your life that this post will be
answered by all the usual posts we have seen for years saying that - of course
- they are right and we are all poor misgoided idiots. And so it goes on, and
so it will go on. They will say 'of course it will go on as long as people
peddle myths' and feel fully justified in keeping up their stream of invective.
The rest of us will sigh and use other forums. This is the only newsgroup in
which I killfile members - I don't read or reply to their posts. It sounds
cynical, but I would urge others to do the same. If rude posters consistently
get no response from anyone, they will have no basis for conversation. Then let
them be the ones to have to find other newsgroups to rant on.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled
him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.

Would I be right?

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:30:09 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On 10 Dec 2004 13:25:36 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new
showing up.


There are a number of posters who are consistently rude to various amateurs who
- quite rightly - post about their hobby. The 'justification' of this rudeness
is that 'people who peddle myths should be ruthlessly treated'. The same number
of posters responsible for most of the rudeness are themselves the self
appointed judge and jury of what constitutes a myth. A myth can consist of
approximately anything, but in particular anything involving valves and vinyl,
and including subjects which are routinely discussed on a whole number of other
specialist forums, and example being the sound of various componants. Until and
unless the band of Holy 'myth exposers' get down off their pulpits and stop
satirising and insulting members there is no hope for this newsgroup. All the
signs are that they won't, and you bet your life that this post will be
answered by all the usual posts we have seen for years saying that - of course
- they are right and we are all poor misgoided idiots. And so it goes on, and
so it will go on. They will say 'of course it will go on as long as people
peddle myths' and feel fully justified in keeping up their stream of invective.
The rest of us will sigh and use other forums. This is the only newsgroup in
which I killfile members - I don't read or reply to their posts. It sounds
cynical, but I would urge others to do the same. If rude posters consistently
get no response from anyone, they will have no basis for conversation. Then let
them be the ones to have to find other newsgroups to rant on.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled
him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.

Would I be right?

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I meant valve-phile.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him,
though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to
me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others here) to
killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour?

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

On 10 Dec 2004 13:44:05 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him,
though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to
me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others here) to
killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour?


Ah - fair enough. I thought you were speaking from a point of
principle about good manners.

Quite telling that you knew exactly who I was talking about without my
having to name him, though ;-)

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him,
though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude
to
me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others
here) to
killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour?


:-)

Ooh, does he mean meee, I wonder...??? :-)

If yer mate Donald McRonald thinks I'm the rudest poster here it just goes
to show how blinkered and selective these ole boys can be. (Like weak
parents, they rush in a punish the one who's finally got fed up and given
the other irritating little **** a whack who, of course, is squealing like a
stuck pig - which goes with the 'personality type', of course....)

I've said it before - I pay people in the same coin they pay me, although
I'm a bit mystified by DoP's (as you call him) attitude as I don't recall
ever having treated him more harshly than 'agreeing to disagree' on a couple
of occasions....??? Perhaps my calling 'one here' a *bull****ter* is viewed
as being worse than being continually called a *liar* by that same
person...???

(Who knows? Who cares? - Wouldn't happen more than once, face to face,
believe you me!!)

"Andy Evans" wrote in message


Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled
him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence.
Would I be right?

Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been
rude to me.

I think this comment pretty much shows the futility of Church's post.

The subtext is that cries for more moderate posting should only apply to
people who disagree with one Andy Evans.

And given Church's audio politics, we now have the probable reason the OP
started the thread.

In your typical vinylphile/valvophile's mind it isn't how polite one is that
matters, its who is impolite to them that matters.

...he appears to sit on your side of the fence.Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I
meant valve-phile. DoP

I couldn't care what he or anyone else is into - that's their business. As a
matter of fact, where is this so-called 'fence' you talk about? Who made it?
Who maintains it? When can we pull it down? I care about what we all care
about, which is to say who is and who isn't personally rude to us. This
sectarian - 'vinyl/valveophile' stuff doesn't come from me.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.