"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message
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Message-ID: from Keith G
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For the record:

ukra = 'vinyl enthusiasm' is anathema

ukrav = 'vinyl enthusiasm' is mandatory

How are you recording that? ;-)


Pencil and paper.....

;-)

Hi,

In message , Geoff Berrow
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Message-ID: from Keith G
contained the following:

Strange, since I prefer music on vinyl, for me, "music *is* better on
vinyl". (I'd be daft to prefer it, if it sounded worse, wouldn't I?)

It must surely depend on what it is.

I prefer film to video, but dramas such as Casualty seem to have more
immediacy on video.

That said, any analogue copy is a degradation from the original.

It depends on where you draw the line as 'original'. Once the sound
waves hit a microphone, the first 'model' that's made of the original is
an analogue model, and even with the best transducers, that's degraded,
but by its nature it can't possibly be worse than the digital version
that you make from it. Any and all losses will be carried into the
digital domain.

Let's not forget that most music is modelled into an analogue form
before it gets digitised. The difference is that we have ways of
accurately storing and decoding information that's been digitised, but
the ways we have of storing and playing back the analogue models are not
so accurate. (Perfectly enjoyable in some cases though).

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"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message
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It must surely depend on what it is.


Why?

Because if it is a digital source then there is bugger all point in
converting it to analogue.


That said, any analogue copy is a degradation from the original.


I've never said it wasn't - any 'copy' in this life is a degradation from
the original.......


Jebat. Yrg zr xabj vs gurer ner nal 'ovgf' zvffvat sebz guvf zrffntr.


Sorry, could you try sending that again?

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Wrong. Let me know if there are any 'bits' missing from this message.


Yes emotion.

No telling if you're happy, sad or just ****in' about.

Wrong.

Want me to explain it to you?

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In article ,
Julian Fowler wrote:
I noticed that you snipped my comment about vinyl enthusiasts' denial
of the degradation involved in the mastering-for-vinyl process -- are
these also statements that you're unaware of?

They've been done to death on here, but the vinyl nerds don't listen.
They have a hearing problem.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 19:18:22 +0100, Ronnie McKinley
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In uk.rec.audio Geoff Berrow wrote:

Wrong. Let me know if there are any 'bits' missing from this message.

Yes emotion.

No telling if you're happy, sad or just ****in' about.

Why does there have to be an emotional content? This is usenet, not
some half-arsed dating agency.

Paul.

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
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In article ,
John wrote:
The creation of the new group should allow constructive discussion of
what remains a very creative and enthusiastically supported section of
the audio industry by professionals and hobbyists alike.

I take it by 'professionals' you mean those who sell vinyl? Only a very
few cranks who work in pro audio prefer vinyl, and would probably keep
this very quiet among their peers.

I meant those who make the hardware, primarily. As to 'cranks', I'd be more
likely to apply that to folk with nothing more uesful or constructive to do
with their time than pointlessly trying to 'prove' that other people's
aesthetic preferences are wrongheaded...
John.

"Julian Fowler" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:06:35 +0100, "John"
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(snip)
and
the tedious and patronising attempts made to 'prove' that vinyl users are
somehow mistaken or delusional.

... as opposed to the tedious and delusional attempts to 'prove' that
vinyl is somehow technically superior to CD. Its like a Morris Minor
enthusiast trying to argue that his/her preference makes the Moggie
technically superior to a BMW 7-series ;-)

Julian

The analogy isn't really appropriate, unless you're irredeemably biased.
However, the real issue is what you prefer to drive. Vinyl certainly isn't a
Morris Minor to Cd's Beemer. A Caterham 7, perhaps...
John.

Message-ID: from Ronnie
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Want me to explain it to you?


What!! how to judge your current emotional condition from type fonts on
a computer monitor? Yes please, fire away, in your own time.

Ah, see, the clue was in the word 'bits'. It was, like, a play on words.
Y'know bits as in digital bits and bits as in parts. So, easily enough
information there to know that I was being humorous. It doesn't give you
my complete emotional state I'll grant you but it's better than nothing.


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Geoff Berrow
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 22:34:46 +0100, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

And boredom?

Boredom has a cure - killfilters and/or non-participation (ie do
something more interesting).

Fair enough. However, this current thread and the sub-threads are about
an emotive subject. YOU as well as I and quite a number of others have
certainly displayed some degree of emotion in some of our responses to
this and the many sub-threads.

Agreed, we have. That's not to say we do *every* time, though.

My original replay to Geoff was merely a bit of leg pulling. I'm sorry
it went over your head.

A little like Geoff's "bits" comment went over yours? I see.

In the age old format wars ie: Vinyl vs CD the
question of 'emotion' usually pops into the equation. ie: 'Vinyl
displays more emotion '- to which comes the retort OH BOLLIX!! If you
are familiar with the 'format wars' then I've no need to explain this
further. Either you get the point with my sarcastic response to Geoff
or you don't. In the end, I don't really care ... he said without any
emotion.

Hope this post didn't bore you too much ---- one of those.

Not at all. I enjoy educating other people, so no problem.

Paul.

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Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so little, with so much, for so long."

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