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Old June 4th 05, 06:25 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
mo
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Default DAT recorders?

Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.

I dont own one myself, any ideas if its possible to rent them and where
from? I am located in Southampton.

Also how difficult are they to connect to computers to make CDs out of the
music captured?


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Old June 4th 05, 06:58 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Eiron
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mo wrote:
Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.

I dont own one myself, any ideas if its possible to rent them and where
from? I am located in Southampton.

Also how difficult are they to connect to computers to make CDs out of the
music captured?


This is what you need:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html

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Old June 4th 05, 08:20 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Chris Morriss
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In message , Signal
writes
"Eiron" emitted :

mo wrote:
Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.

I dont own one myself, any ideas if its possible to rent them and where
from? I am located in Southampton.

Also how difficult are they to connect to computers to make CDs out of the
music captured?


This is what you need:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html


Everything about it is the dogs nutz, except battery life when
recording...



The latest generation of Minidisc machines (HiMD) will record straight
20-bit PCM in their highest quality mode, but are SERIOUSLY hampered by
Sony's atrocious Sonic-stage USB transfer software which imposes the
most ludicrous constraints on transferring the recordings to a PC.
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Old June 4th 05, 09:56 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Chris Isbell
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Default DAT recorders?

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:58:43 +0100, Eiron wrote:

mo wrote:
Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.

I dont own one myself, any ideas if its possible to rent them and where
from? I am located in Southampton.

Also how difficult are they to connect to computers to make CDs out of the
music captured?


This is what you need:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html


At 24-bit, 44.1 ksps, I estimate that around 1GB will be required per
hour of stereo. Since this is about the largest CF card size currently
available, it could be rather limiting for certain types of music.
(Wagner operas, anyone?) However, since this is a Roland product, I
would guess that it is mainly intended for recording short tracks
rather than whole concerts.

It costs around 330 pounds (Digital Village) and adding a 1G bytes CF
card brings it up to around 376 pounds. This is getting towards the
price range for hard disk recorders. (I paid 400 pounds for my Yamaha
HD1300 - although this lacks microphones and suitable inputs.)

BTW: I am also located in Southampton. If the OP wishes to get in
contact (removing the spam block from my e-mail address) I might be
able to assist.


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Old June 5th 05, 12:08 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
killermike
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:25:14 +0100, mo wrote:

Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.


I would advise against using DAT.

I think that DAT was intended to be a recordable, 'sister' format to
compact disc. DAT never became very successful as a consumer format. It did
find itself a short-lived niche in small recording studios. It offered good
quality two track recording onto a digital medium for a reasonable price.

However, DAT is largely superseded now. Mechanically, machines aren't very
robust as the tape is very much like a miniaturized video cassette. They
have all the draw backs of tape-based linear rather than random access. In
short, they are feature poor and cost ineffective compared to more modern
technologies such as mini disk and computer-based HD recording.

I'd be reluctant to take such a machine on unless someone was offering to
give me the machine for free.

For the rest of what you want to do, you need to learn about live music
recording. Perhaps you could ask the sound crew if you could take a live
feed from the mixing desk?

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Old June 5th 05, 09:44 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Chris Isbell
writes
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:58:43 +0100, Eiron wrote:

mo wrote:
Hi
Going to a concert soon and I wnat to make a recording of it

I am told DAT recorders are the way to go.

I dont own one myself, any ideas if its possible to rent them and where
from? I am located in Southampton.

Also how difficult are they to connect to computers to make CDs out of the
music captured?


This is what you need:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html


At 24-bit, 44.1 ksps, I estimate that around 1GB will be required per
hour of stereo. Since this is about the largest CF card size currently
available, it could be rather limiting for certain types of music.
(Wagner operas, anyone?) However, since this is a Roland product, I
would guess that it is mainly intended for recording short tracks
rather than whole concerts.

It costs around 330 pounds (Digital Village) and adding a 1G bytes CF
card brings it up to around 376 pounds. This is getting towards the
price range for hard disk recorders. (I paid 400 pounds for my Yamaha
HD1300 - although this lacks microphones and suitable inputs.)

BTW: I am also located in Southampton. If the OP wishes to get in
contact (removing the spam block from my e-mail address) I might be
able to assist.



Why not get a decent sound card for your PC one such as the Terratec
Phase 2 series which has balanced inputs and turns in a fine
performance.

You can now build a NEW PC for just over the £100 mark, excluding screen
and a with a good soundcard would all work out less than standalone
boxes. Not only that, for little more money a CD burner and freebie
editing software?..

No contest)
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Old June 5th 05, 11:46 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Wally
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Default DAT recorders?

tony sayer wrote:

You can now build a NEW PC for just over the £100 mark, excluding
screen ...


Really? Please provide the specs and prices of the individual bits...

Case:
Motherboard:
CPU:
RAM:
Video card:
Hard drive:
Floppy:
Mouse:
Keyboard:


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Old June 5th 05, 12:11 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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Default DAT recorders?


"Wally" wrote in message
m...
tony sayer wrote:

You can now build a NEW PC for just over the £100 mark, excluding
screen ...


Really? Please provide the specs and prices of the individual bits...

Case:
Motherboard:
CPU:
RAM:
Video card:
Hard drive:
Floppy:
Mouse:
Keyboard:




A new PC build will cost 300+ however you cut/slice/dice it in my
experience....





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Old June 5th 05, 12:26 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rob
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Default DAT recorders?

Keith G wrote:
"Wally" wrote in message
m...

tony sayer wrote:


You can now build a NEW PC for just over the £100 mark, excluding
screen ...


Really? Please provide the specs and prices of the individual bits...

Case:
Motherboard:
CPU:
RAM:
Video card:
Hard drive:
Floppy:
Mouse:
Keyboard:





A new PC build will cost 300+ however you cut/slice/dice it in my
experience....



and then again you could just get one of these:

http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/

Rob
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Old June 5th 05, 12:43 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Fleetie
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Default DAT recorders?

You can now build a NEW PC for just over the £100 mark, excluding
screen ...

Really? Please provide the specs and prices of the individual bits...

Case:
Motherboard:
CPU:
RAM:
Video card:
Hard drive:
Floppy:
Mouse:
Keyboard:


A new PC build will cost 300+ however you cut/slice/dice it in my experience....


Just managed to do one for 151 at Scan's website, without being bothered to
spend too much time on it:

Here are my scribbled notes:

case - 23
40gb hdd - 30
gigabyte socket a athlon motherboard inc VGA - 32
sempron 2300 (1.58ghz) - 40
256mb pc2700 pc333 ddr ram - 12
logitech oem black mouse - 6
scan EZ multimedia kbd - 4
floppy - 4

It would be really hard to get a new system for under 100.


Martin
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