I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.
Thanks.

"Sally" wrote in message
...
I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.
Thanks.


Dear Sally,

You will get a whole raft of posts saying that Bose stuff is a complete
waste of time. I've never heard any and can only respond to what others have
said, and to sum that up; these 'tricks' are just that and nothing more.

Personally I like to listen to music in the traditional way; stereo
amplifier and two speakers, if these are set up in the right way, roughly a
6Ft triangle with the speakers toed in slightly then the effect is as if you
are there at the concert or in front of the piano or whatever. I can see no
reason to change other than by using better equipment. Again personally I
think that once you have acheived a certain standard the differences become
so small as to be indistinguishable.

I would read this and other forums for a few weeks and then decide.

For a starting point find out about the Rogers LS3/5a which was designed by
the BBC as an outside broadcast monitor and had to conform to a
specification which the BBC laid down, even today they are held in awe and
still copied.

Jem

"Jem Raid" wrote in message
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"Sally" wrote in message
...
I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.
Thanks.


Dear Sally,

You will get a whole raft of posts saying that Bose stuff is a complete
waste of time. I've never heard any and can only respond to what others
have said, and to sum that up; these 'tricks' are just that and nothing
more.

Personally I like to listen to music in the traditional way; stereo
amplifier and two speakers, if these are set up in the right way, roughly
a 6Ft triangle with the speakers toed in slightly then the effect is as if
you are there at the concert or in front of the piano or whatever. I can
see no reason to change other than by using better equipment. Again
personally I think that once you have acheived a certain standard the
differences become so small as to be indistinguishable.

I would read this and other forums for a few weeks and then decide.

For a starting point find out about the Rogers LS3/5a which was designed
by the BBC as an outside broadcast monitor and had to conform to a
specification which the BBC laid down, even today they are held in awe and
still copied.

Jem




Dear Jims,
Thanks for your replies.
My requirements are as follows:
smallish unit similar in size to the Bose
radio
clock
alarm
decent sound quality for listening to classical music
cd player
preferably in one box unit
I had a look at the Pure Legato which is small and does everything except
the speakers are separate units. I suppose that would be OK if they are
small.
I have an excellent sound system in my living room but would like a compact
one for use elsewhere and in particular the bedroom.
I am willing to pay more than the Legato in order to get a really good sound
and the reason I mentioned the Bose was because it had an excellent review a
few years ago in Gramophone magazine. However I realise that since then
things have probably changed.
Thanks again.

"Sally" wrote in message
...

"Jem Raid" wrote in message
...

"Sally" wrote in message
...
I should like to buy something simliar to the Bose Acoustic Wave system.
Can anyone recommend these or perhaps there are better systems which are
cheaper as these seem very expensive. I am only interested in quality
systems.
Thanks.


Dear Sally,

You will get a whole raft of posts saying that Bose stuff is a complete
waste of time. I've never heard any and can only respond to what others
have said, and to sum that up; these 'tricks' are just that and nothing
more.

Personally I like to listen to music in the traditional way; stereo
amplifier and two speakers, if these are set up in the right way, roughly
a 6Ft triangle with the speakers toed in slightly then the effect is as
if you are there at the concert or in front of the piano or whatever. I
can see no reason to change other than by using better equipment. Again
personally I think that once you have acheived a certain standard the
differences become so small as to be indistinguishable.

I would read this and other forums for a few weeks and then decide.

For a starting point find out about the Rogers LS3/5a which was designed
by the BBC as an outside broadcast monitor and had to conform to a
specification which the BBC laid down, even today they are held in awe
and still copied.

Jem




Dear Jims,
Thanks for your replies.
My requirements are as follows:
smallish unit similar in size to the Bose
radio
clock
alarm
decent sound quality for listening to classical music
cd player
preferably in one box unit
I had a look at the Pure Legato which is small and does everything except
the speakers are separate units. I suppose that would be OK if they are
small.
I have an excellent sound system in my living room but would like a
compact one for use elsewhere and in particular the bedroom.
I am willing to pay more than the Legato in order to get a really good
sound and the reason I mentioned the Bose was because it had an excellent
review a few years ago in Gramophone magazine. However I realise that
since then things have probably changed.
Thanks again.
Dear Sally,

I looked at the pure legato and was astonished I didn't realise that anyone
made anything so small, alas I am at a loss to say anything about it or
similar systems.

All I can say is that I made a couple of speakers recently using 3" drive
units and am amazed at the quality, the sound stage and the room filling
sound they are capable of;
http://www.jrbham.btinternet.co.uk/needle/index.html
It doesn't help you one bit but someone else following this thread may have
an interest in small drivers.

Rgds - Jem

ps The drive units in the legato look like the Tangband W3-871S

"Jem Raid" wrote


All I can say is that I made a couple of speakers recently using 3" drive
units and am amazed at the quality, the sound stage and the room filling
sound they are capable of;
http://www.jrbham.btinternet.co.uk/needle/index.html
It doesn't help you one bit but someone else following this thread may
have
an interest in small drivers.


Yes indeed - I am now getting a *house (bungalow) filling* sound out of a
pair of tiddly little 4 inchers made from banana skins! :-)

Certainly making me reconsider my views on 'horn loaded' small drivers and
makes me wonder if the Bose 'Waveform' stuff is as bad as most people seem
to think it is? (I've never 'Bosed' myself other than once had a very small
Bose centre speaker in an early AV setup and it sounded perfectly fine to
me....??)

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Yes indeed - I am now getting a *house (bungalow) filling* sound out of
a pair of tiddly little 4 inchers made from banana skins! :-)

Fostex make tiny IB speakers for pro use - I use them all the time on
location. Although headphones for a 'take'.

Certainly making me reconsider my views on 'horn loaded' small drivers
and makes me wonder if the Bose 'Waveform' stuff is as bad as most
people seem to think it is? (I've never 'Bosed' myself other than once
had a very small Bose centre speaker in an early AV setup and it
sounded perfectly fine to me....??)

Trouble with horns is you tend to hear the horn.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In message , Sally
writes
My requirements are as follows:
smallish unit similar in size to the Bose
radio
clock
alarm
decent sound quality for listening to classical music
cd player
preferably in one box unit
I had a look at the Pure Legato which is small and does everything
except the speakers are separate units. I suppose that would be OK if
they are small. I have an excellent sound system in my living room but
would like a compact one for use elsewhere and in particular the
bedroom. I am willing to pay more than the Legato in order to get a
really good sound and the reason I mentioned the Bose was because it
had an excellent review a few years ago in Gramophone magazine.
However I realise that since then
things have probably changed.

My father has owned Bose stuff for years and seems to swear by it.
Personally, I think it sounds OK, but is overpriced for what it is.

Having said that, he has got one of these Bose Wave players on his boat
and, for what it is, and what it does, it is the business. I havent
heard anything in one box which sounds anything like it. Still seems
bloody expensive though, but if the alternatives are nowhere near as
good......

--
Richard Faulkner

In article , Sally
wrote:


Dear Jims, Thanks for your replies. My requirements are as follows:
smallish unit similar in size to the Bose radio clock alarm decent sound
quality for listening to classical music cd player preferably in one box
unit I had a look at the Pure Legato which is small and does everything
except the speakers are separate units. I suppose that would be OK if
they are small.

In general, having seperate speakers can make a big difference to the
level of sound quality you can get for your money. Hence I would recommend
you accept separate speakers unless you cannot bear to accept them.

I don't know what is currently available, but you might like to look for
systems made by Denon, or Tivoli. With the Denon system(s) I would
personally feel you would be better to choose speakers from someone like
B&W, KEF, etc, rather than Denon's own.


I have an excellent sound system in my living room but
would like a compact one for use elsewhere and in particular the
bedroom. I am willing to pay more than the Legato in order to get a
really good sound and the reason I mentioned the Bose was because it
had an excellent review a few years ago in Gramophone magazine.
However I realise that since then things have probably changed. Thanks
again.

My experience with Bose systems is that they rapidly sound both like they
are 'shouting' and booming. The effect can be impressive at first, but
tiring in the long run. Indeed, I find it ends up giving me a headache
after a while as I can't hear properly, so my ears/brain are straining to
hear through the 'glare'. However this is based on hearing various Bose
systems over the years but *not* the 'Wave' radio. So it may be an
exception for some reason. I doubt this as Bose seem to have a preferred
'sound' which I find nasty.

I would personally be very wary of recommendations in magazine reviews.
They are useful for telling you what is available, but the opinions
expressed may be a poor guide to your own reactions after extended use...

Alas, the hifi industry and magazines largely tend to ignore the need for
units of the self-contained type you want. Instead it is left to the makers
of 'portable radios', etc, which are often quite dire, and never really get
examined by magazines, etc. I think this is a shame as regular attention
might help us establish which units work best and put some 'evolutionary
pressure' on the worst or most over-priced. :-/

All of the above said, if you were to spend some time listeing to the Bose,
and did like it, then that is fair enough. People vary in what they prefer,
or find unpleasing. I would hope you could find something better for less
money, though.

Slainte,

Jim

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Hi,

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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I don't know what is currently available, but you might like to look for
systems made by Denon, or Tivoli. With the Denon system(s) I would
personally feel you would be better to choose speakers from someone like
B&W, KEF, etc, rather than Denon's own.

Agreed. The little Denon systems (D-M33 or 35) paired with the baby
Kefs (Q1?) or the equally small B&W 600 speakers gives very good sound
and takes up very little room space. I ended up with the Denon speakers,
but the D-M33 is very capable, and plenty good enough to drive better
speakers than these.

Regards,

Glenn.

In article , says...
Hi,

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

I don't know what is currently available, but you might like to look for
systems made by Denon, or Tivoli. With the Denon system(s) I would
personally feel you would be better to choose speakers from someone like
B&W, KEF, etc, rather than Denon's own.

Agreed. The little Denon systems (D-M33 or 35) paired with the baby
Kefs (Q1?) or the equally small B&W 600 speakers gives very good sound
and takes up very little room space. I ended up with the Denon speakers,
but the D-M33 is very capable, and plenty good enough to drive better
speakers than these.

Regards,

Glenn.

My wife's M31 sounds magic when paired with a pair of JR149s..
Take a bit more driving than the standard Denon/Missions but the imaging is rock solid..


T.
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