"Dan" wrote in message
...

Or check out SlimDevices SqueezeBox 2. Plays FLAC and OGG. For FLAC
you need G wireless speed.

The $75 Linksys WMLS11B comes with little speakers, has analog audio and
optical digital out, and handles mp3 and .wav files. Internet radio plays
only through the analog audio outputs. It includes wired and wireless
Ethernet (801.11b rather than 802.11g.). On paper, it seems amazing for the
street price. Unfortunately, the corporate handicapping department seems to
have struck: it's reported that it won't handle playlists longer than 12
tracks.

The $100 Netgear MP101 has built-in wired and wireless ethernet and handles
..wav (with downloadable firmware update), but does not have digital out.
I'm told CompUSA has the Netgear for sale on and off at $50. I have a
Netgear, which I use with the Twonky server rather than Netgear's own; that
lets you play internet radio for free. By the way, the Netgear has a fixed
line out, plus a line out with volume control which can be used for
headphones. I guess the Netgear headphone out could be fed into a pair of
Gainclone-powered speakers for a rather cheap bedroom system ... the
amplifier needs no input selection, and no controls except on and off.
(Probably the same applies to other network music servers, but the only one
I have is the Netgear MP101). netgear also do an MP115 model, which uses a
TV as its display.

The $150 Philips Media Player has built-in wireless ethernet and handles
video. (This seems similar to the Prismiq Mediaplayer)

The $160 Creative Sound Blaster Wireless has digital out, but doesn't seem
to handle .wav files

The $200 Audiotron does not have built-in wireless (obviously you can
install a wireless internet link and connect the Audiotron to that.) but it
does handle .wav and has digital output.

The $200 Omnifi DMS1W does not have digital output, but can connect to a TV
for its user interface. I don't know if it supports .wav. There's another
Omnifi model on sale at geek.som for $80, including a Dlink USB wireless
device for the computer.

The $300 Squeezebox is from Slim Devices, the company who (I believe) were
first to market. The manufacturers refer to its high-quality DAC. It's
probably a useful benchmark to assess the others by. The Squeezebox server
allows you to control what's playing from a networked computer with web
browser.

The Philips Streamium comes with speakers and CD player (which will play MP3
CDs, too) and has wireless ethernet.

The Dlink 320 and 320RD support MP3, WAV, WMA, the 320RD also adds OGG and
AIFF. These both do pictures and video files. The 320RD also includes a
DVD drive so it can double as a DVD player. Both offer digital outputs and
are both "G" wireless. Prices range around $200-300.

Tim

Tim Martin wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...

Or check out SlimDevices SqueezeBox 2. Plays FLAC and OGG. For FLAC
you need G wireless speed.

The $75 Linksys WMLS11B comes with little speakers, has analog audio and
optical digital out, and handles mp3 and .wav files. Internet radio plays
only through the analog audio outputs. It includes wired and wireless
Ethernet (801.11b rather than 802.11g.). On paper, it seems amazing for the
street price. Unfortunately, the corporate handicapping department seems to
have struck: it's reported that it won't handle playlists longer than 12
tracks.

The $100 Netgear MP101 has built-in wired and wireless ethernet and handles
.wav (with downloadable firmware update), but does not have digital out.
I'm told CompUSA has the Netgear for sale on and off at $50. I have a
Netgear, which I use with the Twonky server rather than Netgear's own; that
lets you play internet radio for free. By the way, the Netgear has a fixed
line out, plus a line out with volume control which can be used for
headphones. I guess the Netgear headphone out could be fed into a pair of
Gainclone-powered speakers for a rather cheap bedroom system ... the
amplifier needs no input selection, and no controls except on and off.
(Probably the same applies to other network music servers, but the only one
I have is the Netgear MP101). netgear also do an MP115 model, which uses a
TV as its display.

The $150 Philips Media Player has built-in wireless ethernet and handles
video. (This seems similar to the Prismiq Mediaplayer)

The $160 Creative Sound Blaster Wireless has digital out, but doesn't seem
to handle .wav files

The $200 Audiotron does not have built-in wireless (obviously you can
install a wireless internet link and connect the Audiotron to that.) but it
does handle .wav and has digital output.

The $200 Omnifi DMS1W does not have digital output, but can connect to a TV
for its user interface. I don't know if it supports .wav. There's another
Omnifi model on sale at geek.som for $80, including a Dlink USB wireless
device for the computer.

The $300 Squeezebox is from Slim Devices, the company who (I believe) were
first to market. The manufacturers refer to its high-quality DAC. It's
probably a useful benchmark to assess the others by. The Squeezebox server
allows you to control what's playing from a networked computer with web
browser.

The Philips Streamium comes with speakers and CD player (which will play MP3
CDs, too) and has wireless ethernet.

The Dlink 320 and 320RD support MP3, WAV, WMA, the 320RD also adds OGG and
AIFF. These both do pictures and video files. The 320RD also includes a
DVD drive so it can double as a DVD player. Both offer digital outputs and
are both "G" wireless. Prices range around $200-300.

I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.

Not hi-fi at all.

Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Tim Martin wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
...

Or check out SlimDevices SqueezeBox 2. Plays FLAC and OGG. For FLAC
you need G wireless speed.

The $75 Linksys WMLS11B comes with little speakers, has analog audio
and
optical digital out, and handles mp3 and .wav files. Internet radio
plays
only through the analog audio outputs. It includes wired and wireless
Ethernet (801.11b rather than 802.11g.). On paper, it seems amazing for
the
street price. Unfortunately, the corporate handicapping department
seems to
have struck: it's reported that it won't handle playlists longer than
12
tracks.

The $100 Netgear MP101 has built-in wired and wireless ethernet and
handles
.wav (with downloadable firmware update), but does not have digital out.
I'm told CompUSA has the Netgear for sale on and off at $50. I have a
Netgear, which I use with the Twonky server rather than Netgear's own;
that
lets you play internet radio for free. By the way, the Netgear has a
fixed
line out, plus a line out with volume control which can be used for
headphones. I guess the Netgear headphone out could be fed into a pair
of
Gainclone-powered speakers for a rather cheap bedroom system ... the
amplifier needs no input selection, and no controls except on and off.
(Probably the same applies to other network music servers, but the only
one
I have is the Netgear MP101). netgear also do an MP115 model, which
uses a
TV as its display.

The $150 Philips Media Player has built-in wireless ethernet and
handles
video. (This seems similar to the Prismiq Mediaplayer)

The $160 Creative Sound Blaster Wireless has digital out, but doesn't
seem
to handle .wav files

The $200 Audiotron does not have built-in wireless (obviously you can
install a wireless internet link and connect the Audiotron to that.)
but it
does handle .wav and has digital output.

The $200 Omnifi DMS1W does not have digital output, but can connect to a
TV
for its user interface. I don't know if it supports .wav. There's
another
Omnifi model on sale at geek.som for $80, including a Dlink USB wireless
device for the computer.

The $300 Squeezebox is from Slim Devices, the company who (I believe)
were
first to market. The manufacturers refer to its high-quality DAC. It's
probably a useful benchmark to assess the others by. The Squeezebox
server
allows you to control what's playing from a networked computer with web
browser.

The Philips Streamium comes with speakers and CD player (which will play
MP3
CDs, too) and has wireless ethernet.

The Dlink 320 and 320RD support MP3, WAV, WMA, the 320RD also adds OGG
and
AIFF. These both do pictures and video files. The 320RD also includes
a
DVD drive so it can double as a DVD player. Both offer digital outputs
and
are both "G" wireless. Prices range around $200-300.

I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.

Not hi-fi at all.

Graham

None of them compress the audio data before streaming it.

Tim

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.
Not hi-fi at all.

Ah, so I guess the product you were talking about the other week was the
Olive, and it's you who's been spamming these newsgroups about it.

OK. Well, we already know you were wrong about the Netgear, because the
network traffic measurements clearly showed the server software was not
compressing .wav files before transmitting them over the wireless network.

Still, the Netgear does not have digital out. I guess the acid test would
be the $900 Olive versus the $300 Squeezebox, both using their digital
outputs to connect to a hi-fi DAc and audio system; and then we'd see if
any listeners could detect a quality difference in .wav files transmitted
over a wireless network to the $300 Squeezbox compared with the $900 Olive.

Tim

Pooh Bear wrote:

Tim Martin wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
...


Or check out SlimDevices SqueezeBox 2. Plays FLAC and OGG. For FLAC
you need G wireless speed.

The $75 Linksys WMLS11B comes with little speakers, has analog audio and
optical digital out, and handles mp3 and .wav files. Internet radio plays
only through the analog audio outputs. It includes wired and wireless
Ethernet (801.11b rather than 802.11g.). On paper, it seems amazing for the
street price. Unfortunately, the corporate handicapping department seems to
have struck: it's reported that it won't handle playlists longer than 12
tracks.

The $100 Netgear MP101 has built-in wired and wireless ethernet and handles
.wav (with downloadable firmware update), but does not have digital out.
I'm told CompUSA has the Netgear for sale on and off at $50. I have a
Netgear, which I use with the Twonky server rather than Netgear's own; that
lets you play internet radio for free. By the way, the Netgear has a fixed
line out, plus a line out with volume control which can be used for
headphones. I guess the Netgear headphone out could be fed into a pair of
Gainclone-powered speakers for a rather cheap bedroom system ... the
amplifier needs no input selection, and no controls except on and off.
(Probably the same applies to other network music servers, but the only one
I have is the Netgear MP101). netgear also do an MP115 model, which uses a
TV as its display.

The $150 Philips Media Player has built-in wireless ethernet and handles
video. (This seems similar to the Prismiq Mediaplayer)

The $160 Creative Sound Blaster Wireless has digital out, but doesn't seem
to handle .wav files

The $200 Audiotron does not have built-in wireless (obviously you can
install a wireless internet link and connect the Audiotron to that.) but it
does handle .wav and has digital output.

The $200 Omnifi DMS1W does not have digital output, but can connect to a TV
for its user interface. I don't know if it supports .wav. There's another
Omnifi model on sale at geek.som for $80, including a Dlink USB wireless
device for the computer.

The $300 Squeezebox is from Slim Devices, the company who (I believe) were
first to market. The manufacturers refer to its high-quality DAC. It's
probably a useful benchmark to assess the others by. The Squeezebox server
allows you to control what's playing from a networked computer with web
browser.

The Philips Streamium comes with speakers and CD player (which will play MP3
CDs, too) and has wireless ethernet.

The Dlink 320 and 320RD support MP3, WAV, WMA, the 320RD also adds OGG and
AIFF. These both do pictures and video files. The 320RD also includes a
DVD drive so it can double as a DVD player. Both offer digital outputs and
are both "G" wireless. Prices range around $200-300.


I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.

Not hi-fi at all.

Graham


Your "expectations" are irrelevant.

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Tim Martin wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.
Not hi-fi at all.

Ah, so I guess the product you were talking about the other week was the
Olive,

No - but I saw a post in r.a.p about it and it looked like spam.

and it's you who's been spamming these newsgroups about it.

Certainly not me.


OK. Well, we already know you were wrong about the Netgear, because the
network traffic measurements clearly showed the server software was not
compressing .wav files before transmitting them over the wireless network.

You're mistaken about the context.

I've only ever mentioned *standalone* wireless audio links in this thread since
the OP wanted a *simple* solution.

Other ppl - like you introduced entire whole server based solutions. I know
these can transfer audio at native bit rate but a PC in every room just to
distribute audio is overkill, impractical, non user-friendly, nopisy and just
plain DUMB !


Still, the Netgear does not have digital out. I guess the acid test would
be the $900 Olive versus the $300 Squeezebox, both using their digital
outputs to connect to a hi-fi DAc and audio system; and then we'd see if
any listeners could detect a quality difference in .wav files transmitted
over a wireless network to the $300 Squeezbox compared with the $900

I guess you missed the Nordic Semi product I mentioned ? It's standalone.


Graham

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:50:45 GMT, CJT Gave us:


Your "expectations" are irrelevant.

So too is your vacuous post.

Pooh Bear wrote:

Tim Martin wrote:


"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...


I expect all these devices compress the audio data before streaming it.
Not hi-fi at all.

Ah, so I guess the product you were talking about the other week was the
Olive,


No - but I saw a post in r.a.p about it and it looked like spam.


and it's you who's been spamming these newsgroups about it.


Certainly not me.



OK. Well, we already know you were wrong about the Netgear, because the
network traffic measurements clearly showed the server software was not
compressing .wav files before transmitting them over the wireless network.


You're mistaken about the context.

I've only ever mentioned *standalone* wireless audio links in this thread since
the OP wanted a *simple* solution.

Other ppl - like you introduced entire whole server based solutions. I know
these can transfer audio at native bit rate but a PC in every room just to
distribute audio is overkill, impractical, non user-friendly, nopisy and just
plain DUMB !


Agreed. So don't use PCs to do it. I use Sun Rays. Cheap, silent,
reliable.


Still, the Netgear does not have digital out. I guess the acid test would
be the $900 Olive versus the $300 Squeezebox, both using their digital
outputs to connect to a hi-fi DAc and audio system; and then we'd see if
any listeners could detect a quality difference in .wav files transmitted
over a wireless network to the $300 Squeezbox compared with the $900


I guess you missed the Nordic Semi product I mentioned ? It's standalone.


Graham



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TokaMundo wrote:

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:50:45 GMT, CJT Gave us:


Your "expectations" are irrelevant.


So too is your vacuous post.

At least you agree with me that he's full of baloney.

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"CJT" wrote in message
...

Other ppl - like you introduced entire whole server based solutions. I
know
these can transfer audio at native bit rate but a PC in every room just
to
distribute audio is overkill, impractical, non user-friendly, nopisy and
just
plain DUMB !

Agreed. So don't use PCs to do it. I use Sun Rays. Cheap, silent,
reliable.

The server-based solutions don't require a PC in every room - that's the
whole point of them.

You have one PC, which stores your audio collection. And in other rooms you
have network music devices. You can use different devices in different
rooms - so, for example, in your hi-fi room, you might use a £200 Squeezebox
with its digital output connected to a hi-fi DAC and audio system; and in a
bedroom you might have a £70 Netgear MP101, maybe using its headphone output
to drive a pair of earphones, or maybe using its line output connected to an
audio system.

Whenever you rip or download audio files, you store them on the central
server, so they are accessible to all your network music devices.

Tim







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