"John Phillips" wrote in message
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On 2005-08-17, Keith G wrote:

"John Phillips" wrote in message
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On 2005-08-16, Keith G wrote:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/needle01.mp3

Err... isn't that one hitting the endstops just a tiny little bit*?

Hardly:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/needlewave.jpg

It was not hard to find quite a few examples like this:

http://www.mainly.me.uk/tmp/n1.gif

http://www.mainly.me.uk/tmp/n2.gif

Not being familiar with analysing audiio waveforms, I still venture to
suggest either my MP3 decoder is doing something silly or the source
looks clipped.

I will download another MP3 decoder this evening to see if it's a problem
at my end.



If it helps, here is an MP3 (higher res.) of the very same track taken
straight from the CD with Sound Forge:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2001.mp3


(I have to say my interest here stops after a simple 'audio
comparison/listen' which I didn't think was *that* ****e for an open mic
recording, with the inevitable room 'acoustics' getting into the
picture...???

John Phillips wrote:
On 2005-08-17, Keith G wrote:

"John Phillips" wrote in message
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On 2005-08-16, Keith G wrote:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/needle01.mp3

Err... isn't that one hitting the endstops just a tiny little bit*?

Hardly:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/needlewave.jpg


It was not hard to find quite a few examples like this:

http://www.mainly.me.uk/tmp/n1.gif

http://www.mainly.me.uk/tmp/n2.gif

Not being familiar with analysing audiio waveforms, I still venture to
suggest either my MP3 decoder is doing something silly or the source
looks clipped.

I will download another MP3 decoder this evening to see if it's a problem
at my end.


I've noticed that before - apparent clipping well under the 0dB scale.
IIRC I did an 'autodetect clipping' in Sound Forge and it came up with
over 60 instances on a recording, seemingly, well within limits and out
of the 'red line'.

If anyone could explain I'd be grateful.

"Triffid" wrote in message
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I had a hobby once. Cost me a lot of money. Then came ebay...


Which costs me even more money... :-)

Natch.

IMO the British bike industry died because Joe Public behaved exactly as
the
Yanks still do toward Hardly Capable. The factories saw no reason to
develop
until the Road To Damascus conversion caused by the CB750 and Z1, which
the
Yanks were and are patriotically oblivious to.


By the time the Z1 was on the scene (OK, in the shops) the Japs had wiped
both the Brit and Yank bike industries off its boots - the only countries
left in the frame were Germany with its evergreen Boxers (and a few wacky
little cheapo ringadingding strokers) and the Eyeties who had (sensibly)
banned the import of, I believe, bikes over 400cc and below 50cc (...???
Have I got that right?) thus preserving their own industry.


Yeah I know, but that other thread is sooooo long :8


:-)

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IMO the British bike industry died because Joe Public behaved exactly as
the Yanks still do toward Hardly Capable. The factories saw no reason to
develop until the Road To Damascus conversion caused by the CB750 and Z1,
which
the Yanks were and are patriotically oblivious to.


By the time the Z1 was on the scene (OK, in the shops) the Japs had wiped
both the Brit and Yank bike industries off its boots - the only countries
left in the frame were Germany with its evergreen Boxers (and a few wacky
little cheapo ringadingding strokers) and the Eyeties who had (sensibly)
banned the import of, I believe, bikes over 400cc and below 50cc (...???
Have I got that right?) thus preserving their own industry.


You may have the edge of experience (age - never!) there, but looking back
at how advanced stuff like the C72 /et al/ were, I always had the impression
that we just didn't buy them regardless. Alloy? OHC? Christ they had
electric start in 1962! If there was a good reason to buy a Bantam over a
C90 I'm buggered if I know what it was.

Anyhow, back on topic, surely the likes of NAD and Arcam, perhaps even Naim,
are not being quite so backward? Just wish NAD would employ a stylist just
the once.

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IMO the British bike industry died because Joe Public behaved exactly as
the Yanks still do toward Hardly Capable. The factories saw no reason to
develop until the Road To Damascus conversion caused by the CB750 and
Z1,
which
the Yanks were and are patriotically oblivious to.


By the time the Z1 was on the scene (OK, in the shops) the Japs had wiped
both the Brit and Yank bike industries off its boots - the only countries
left in the frame were Germany with its evergreen Boxers (and a few wacky
little cheapo ringadingding strokers) and the Eyeties who had (sensibly)
banned the import of, I believe, bikes over 400cc and below 50cc (...???
Have I got that right?) thus preserving their own industry.


You may have the edge of experience (age - never!)


I'm 58.....??? :-)


there, but looking back
at how advanced stuff like the C72


So I'm talking C50/C70....


/et al/ were, I always had the impression
that we just didn't buy them regardless.


The story I heard was Honda did a bit of research into what Joe Ordinaire
could afford (save or borrow) and the 'magic figure' was £100. So the C50
was pitched at £95 to allow him to get one and still have a fiver towards
the cost of a helmet. I suspect the Brit bikes of the time were at least
double that. May be ******** but it's what I 'remember'...???


Alloy?


We had alloy - lots of it. What the Japs did was lacquer it so it didn't
need polishing. We couldn't lacquer ours - the oil would have had it off in
a weekend.... :-)


OHC?


Not unheard of in the Brit bike industry, but I can't remember what might
have had it. OHC spoilt the fun for a lot of Brit bikers - no tappets to
fiddle with constantly....!! ;-)


Christ they had
electric start in 1962!


Poofs...


If there was a good reason to buy a Bantam over a
C90 I'm buggered if I know what it was.


You couldn't get a C90 for a tenner (or 20 quid if it still had
electrics...)



Anyhow, back on topic, surely the likes of NAD and Arcam, perhaps even
Naim,
are not being quite so backward? Just wish NAD would employ a stylist just
the once.


NAD's 'style' is exactly that - NAD's *style*!! Anyway, aren't they also
doing silver and titanium these days...???

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:01:41 +0100, "Triffid"
wrote:

You may have the edge of experience (age - never!) there, but looking back
at how advanced stuff like the C72 /et al/ were, I always had the impression
that we just didn't buy them regardless. Alloy? OHC? Christ they had
electric start in 1962! If there was a good reason to buy a Bantam over a
C90 I'm buggered if I know what it was.

My Bantam cost me fifteen quid in 1969. At the time, that was a good
reason!

Anyhow, back on topic, surely the likes of NAD and Arcam, perhaps even Naim,
are not being quite so backward? Just wish NAD would employ a stylist just
the once.

Consider the relative cost of the top Arcam and the 'entry model'
Meridian, where the core engineering is not greatly different.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:03:12 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Triffid" wrote in message
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OHC?

Not unheard of in the Brit bike industry, but I can't remember what might
have had it. OHC spoilt the fun for a lot of Brit bikers - no tappets to
fiddle with constantly....!! ;-)

Actually, in the '60s, I don't think any British bike had OHC. I stand
to be corrected, but I certainly can't think of one.

Brings back memories though. I spent many a happy weekend in the early
'70s sat on the front wheel of my Mk III Spit, balancing the carbs and
adjusting the tappets. Nowadays, I have discovered better things to do
with my spare time, 'cos modern cars don't need that kinda TLC...
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:01:41 +0100, "Triffid"
wrote:

You may have the edge of experience (age - never!) there, but looking back
at how advanced stuff like the C72 /et al/ were, I always had the
impression
that we just didn't buy them regardless. Alloy? OHC? Christ they had
electric start in 1962! If there was a good reason to buy a Bantam over a
C90 I'm buggered if I know what it was.

My Bantam cost me fifteen quid in 1969. At the time, that was a good
reason!



Ah, headlight worked - tail/brake light didn't then? :-)

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


Actually, in the '60s, I don't think any British bike had OHC. I stand
to be corrected, but I certainly can't think of one.

Norton, Matchless, AJS.
In the 'twenties you couldn't spit without hitting an OHC engine
but they seemed to have gone out of fashion by the 'fifties.

--
Eiron

I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
tedious.

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"Triffid" wrote

IMO the British bike industry died because Joe Public behaved exactly
as the Yanks still do toward Hardly Capable. The factories saw no
reason to develop until the Road To Damascus conversion caused by the
CB750 and Z1,
which
the Yanks were and are patriotically oblivious to.


By the time the Z1 was on the scene (OK, in the shops) the Japs had
wiped both the Brit and Yank bike industries off its boots - the only
countries left in the frame were Germany with its evergreen Boxers (and
a few wacky little cheapo ringadingding strokers) and the Eyeties who
had (sensibly) banned the import of, I believe, bikes over 400cc and
below 50cc (...??? Have I got that right?) thus preserving their own
industry.


You may have the edge of experience (age - never!)


I'm 58.....??? :-)

You might be, it's hard to tell at this range.

there, but looking back
at how advanced stuff like the C72


So I'm talking C50/C70....

The C72 was a 250 twin like the CD175, rubbish suspension, crap tyres,
brilliant engine.



/et al/ were, I always had the impression
that we just didn't buy them regardless.


The story I heard was Honda did a bit of research into what Joe Ordinaire
could afford (save or borrow) and the 'magic figure' was £100. So the C50
was pitched at £95 to allow him to get one and still have a fiver towards
the cost of a helmet. I suspect the Brit bikes of the time were at least
double that. May be ******** but it's what I 'remember'...???


Alloy?


We had alloy - lots of it. What the Japs did was lacquer it so it didn't
need polishing. We couldn't lacquer ours - the oil would have had it off
in a weekend.... :-)


OHC?

The AJS 7R (struggling here) had OHC. The very, very last bonnie , the TSS
8-valve, was pushrod.

Not unheard of in the Brit bike industry, but I can't remember what might
have had it. OHC spoilt the fun for a lot of Brit bikers - no tappets to
fiddle with constantly....!! ;-)

Miss a gear, lose an engine. There is a limit to acceptable tinkering.

Christ they had electric start in 1962!

Poofs...

Your last car with a starting handle was...?

If there was a good reason to buy a Bantam over a
C90 I'm buggered if I know what it was.


You couldn't get a C90 for a tenner (or 20 quid if it still had
electrics...)

Got me!

Anyhow, back on topic, surely the likes of NAD and Arcam, perhaps even
Naim,
are not being quite so backward? Just wish NAD would employ a stylist
just the once.


NAD's 'style' is exactly that - NAD's *style*!! Anyway, aren't they also
doing silver and titanium these days...???

Never let tradition be confused with style. Mind you, the last British
design that had style was Concorde...