A Audio, hi-fi and car audio  forum. Audio Banter

Go Back   Home » Audio Banter forum » UK Audio Newsgroups » uk.rec.audio (General Audio and Hi-Fi)
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

uk.rec.audio (General Audio and Hi-Fi) (uk.rec.audio) Discussion and exchange of hi-fi audio equipment.

Got to laugh



 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #171 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 10:09 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Don Pearce
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,412
Default Got to laugh

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:08:49 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


(The world runs on bull**** and two things that not many people want are
the
absolute truth and absolute freedom...!! ;-)



The best of all are the magic cleaning products on the shopping
channels. I just don't know how they are *still* getting away with it.




Having got a letter from my dentist this morning telling me to take a hike
because I won't sign up to their ****ing 'Denplan' scam I'm in the mood to
say the worst aspect of the Thatcherite legacy is the 'proliferation' of
scams and rip-offs that seem almost to get 'official approval' by dint of
the *absolute lack* of any sort of crackdown on them simply becausse they
are 'businesses'....!!! (ie 'entrepreneurial'.....)

Changing the subject a tad - what happens if I swap a 100K log volume pot on
a valve amp for a 50K one - wheels fall off or summat?


How much have you paid for the 50k? If it is an expensive one, you
will get better rhythm and deeper sound staging - sorry, couldn't
resist.

Just go for it. The tolerance on the average pot is pretty huge, and
although there will be a slightly increased loading on the previous
stage, it won't be as much as the change you get as you wind the
slider along the track. I wouldn't go lower than 50k, though.

If you find that you never wind the pot up past about ten o,clock, you
could always add a 50k resistor in series with the top (live) end of
it to preserve the full impedance load. You just turn the wick up a
bit to compensate.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
  #172 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 10:19 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7,388
Default Got to laugh


"Don Pearce" wrote


Changing the subject a tad - what happens if I swap a 100K log volume pot
on
a valve amp for a 50K one - wheels fall off or summat?


How much have you paid for the 50k? If it is an expensive one, you
will get better rhythm and deeper sound staging - sorry, couldn't
resist.



It's an Alps, so I expect a shimmering treble, deep, tight bass with
sparkling transients and a visceral sense of 'being there', naturally....


Just go for it.



OK. Thought so - I've used it externally, so I think I know what to expect
anyway.


The tolerance on the average pot is pretty huge, and
although there will be a slightly increased loading on the previous
stage, it won't be as much as the change you get as you wind the
slider along the track. I wouldn't go lower than 50k, though.



OK.


If you find that you never wind the pot up past about ten o,clock, you
could always add a 50k resistor in series with the top (live) end of
it to preserve the full impedance load. You just turn the wick up a
bit to compensate.



OK, another dumb question - is two 100K resistors in parallel the same as
50K? (Fuctiff I know - I only got 100Ks...)

Also, if I said sod it and wanted to take the pot out of the loop entirely
(making the amp 'full power' only and continue with external attenuation),
do I simply connect the wires together (as it were) or would you connect
them via a 100K resistor?






  #173 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 10:22 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Don Pearce
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,412
Default Got to laugh

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:19:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

OK, another dumb question - is two 100K resistors in parallel the same as
50K? (Fuctiff I know - I only got 100Ks...)


Yup - two hundreds in parallel makes fifty.

Also, if I said sod it and wanted to take the pot out of the loop entirely
(making the amp 'full power' only and continue with external attenuation),
do I simply connect the wires together (as it were) or would you connect
them via a 100K resistor?


Just join the wires - no resistors. That is what happens at full
volume setting.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
  #174 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 10:35 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7,388
Default Got to laugh


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:19:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

OK, another dumb question - is two 100K resistors in parallel the same as
50K? (Fuctiff I know - I only got 100Ks...)


Yup - two hundreds in parallel makes fifty.



OK, thought so but wasn't *sure*...??

(I'm at that stage where yesterday's *knowledge* is today's hazy
recollection...!! :-)


Also, if I said sod it and wanted to take the pot out of the loop entirely
(making the amp 'full power' only and continue with external attenuation),
do I simply connect the wires together (as it were) or would you connect
them via a 100K resistor?


Just join the wires - no resistors. That is what happens at full
volume setting.



Yes, again I suspected as much and have recently been told exactly the same
by one 'offlist' but I have another hazy recollection of Nick Lucas (at WAD
at the time) saying if I wanted to do that with my WAD amp I would need to
change a resistor on the PCB...???

No worries, thanks for the info....




  #175 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 11:40 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,872
Default Got to laugh

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Yup - two hundreds in parallel makes fifty.



OK, thought so but wasn't *sure*...??


(I'm at that stage where yesterday's *knowledge* is today's hazy
recollection...!! :-)


Resistors in series. R = R1 + R2

R1 x R2
Resistors in parallel. R = -------
R1 + R2

--


Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
  #176 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 11:50 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 7,388
Default Got to laugh


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Yup - two hundreds in parallel makes fifty.



OK, thought so but wasn't *sure*...??


(I'm at that stage where yesterday's *knowledge* is today's hazy
recollection...!! :-)


Resistors in series. R = R1 + R2

R1 x R2
Resistors in parallel. R = -------
R1 + R2

--




Nice one Plowie - beats clonking through this little lot:

http://www.play-hookey.com/dc_theory...resistors.html

:-)





  #177 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 12:13 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Don Pearce
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,412
Default Got to laugh

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:27:36 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:13:40 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:



If someone had employed me to design a DAC with the requirement to use
the clock embedded in the SPDIF stream, and omit a LO then I'd probably
have used the approach I outlined.[1] However I have no idea which DACs
use what methods in general as my experience is only with the Meridian
ones, and a lot of what appears in reviews sheds no reliable light on
such matters.

And unless instructed to make a DAC in the above way, I'd simply use a
LO, PLL, and buffer... :-)



That would certainly seem to be the obvious - not to mention easy - way
to do it. Using the SPDIF stream as a clock would really be quite hard.


Not really very 'hard' in itself, but it would be difficult to get the
results to have a smooth clock. The SPDIF essentially has the clock XORd in
it already, so this can be extracted using something like a rectifier and
filter. That gives a bit-rate clock which you then use just as you would an
LO - which you'd be likely to have locked to the SPDIF embedded clock rate
anyway. The bit rearrangements and word assembly, etc, can then be handled
in the same ways regardless of how the DAC clock signal was produced.

I mean, you need some memory in which to perform error correction, and
the processor for that needs a clock.


Not sure what you mean by error correction here. I think that would have
been done prior to SPDIF transport.

Sorry - crossed connections here. The raw data has already been
through a processor to carry out error correction and interpolation.
By the time it gets as far as S/PDIF it has already been re-clocked -
which is where we came in.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
  #178 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 12:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,051
Default Got to laugh

In article , Don Pearce
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:19:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Also, if I said sod it and wanted to take the pot out of the loop
entirely (making the amp 'full power' only and continue with external
attenuation), do I simply connect the wires together (as it were) or
would you connect them via a 100K resistor?


Just join the wires - no resistors. That is what happens at full volume
setting.


Not knowing the design I'd be inclined to have a 100 k shunt as it may be
desirable for LF rolloff, d.c. reference, or other purposes.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html
  #179 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 12:26 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,051
Default Got to laugh

In article , Keith G
wrote:




It's an Alps, so I expect a shimmering treble, deep, tight bass with
sparkling transients and a visceral sense of 'being there', naturally....


FWIW My experience is that 'Alps' make good pots. However my preference is
for the blue 40mm detent types. These are always spot on spec. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html
  #180 (permalink)  
Old November 29th 05, 01:06 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,850
Default Got to laugh

"Keith G" wrote in message


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message ...


In article ,
Keith G wrote:


I wouldn't expect anything less - would you?

How many people keep packaging for small low value
items?


Anybody with half a brain buying them with a view to
giving them a *trial* and hoping/expecting to get their
money back, I would have thought - no...??


People who buy fancy cables don't with a view to giving
them a trial. They've already decided they will be an
improvment. Hence, of course, they are.


If I could only be as certain of things as you seem to
be....


Actually, this is all about dueling perceptions of
certainty. One is based on ignorance, and one is based on a
fairly detailed and correct understanding of the relevant
technology. I'll leave it to the reader to figure out which
is which! ;-)


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 04:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0
Copyright ©2004-2025 Audio Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.