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In article , Glenn Richards
wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Contrary to what some people on this group will tell you, it doesn't
make any audible difference whatever - and unlike the nut from
Squirrel Solutions, I put my money where my mouth is on this one, and
will give anyone £1,000 if they can indeed tell cables apart by sound
alone.

Stewart...

Go away, and leave the poor chap alone. You may be cynical about cables,
but they do make a difference in the analogue domain.

Unfortunately, your sweeping assertion is somewhat misleading. The reality
is that a change of cables may well make no audible difference in various
'analogue' cases.

If you want to start another argument about cables, then please do so in
another thread, and don't hijack this thread about someone who is asking
for sensible advice.

If that was your concern, then perhaps you should have avoided writing:

On 28 Feb in uk.rec.audio, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Contrary to what some people on this group will tell you, it's worth
spending a few quid on decent speaker cables (and interconnects for
analogue). Nothing completely over-the-top, the Audio Innovations silver
is damned good though.

IIUC the OP wasn't asking about 'cables', and it was you who introduced
them to this thread - not Stewart.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jem Raid" wrote in message
...
I'd read as many posts as you can find (and follow up all the links) from
Keith G


Streuth! I'll have to be a bit more careful what I post links to!! :-)


You may already have a sneaky feeling that what you can make yourself is
far far better.

Oh yes, nae doot aboot that....

Jim, I got some bad news (as of last night)......

......

:-(


Take no notice of the 300B caper though, make a Gainclone.


Nasty things those 300Bs - smoky, noisy and drip oil on the drive....

:-)

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In article ,
Glenn Richards wrote:
Contrary to what some people on this group will tell you, it's worth
spending a few quid on decent speaker cables (and interconnects for
analogue). Nothing completely over-the-top, the Audio Innovations silver
is damned good though.

The OP is clearly on a budget. Maplin's

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...eNo=50&doy=1m3

will do fine for most domestic speaker runs. As will the interconnects
that come with the equipment.

Money saved on not buying snake oil products can then be spent on better
speakers.

--
*Am I ambivalent? Well, yes and no.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Newbie's first seperates system
 

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:34:13 +0000, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Contrary to what some people on this group will tell you, it doesn't
make any audible difference whatever - and unlike the nut from
Squirrel Solutions, I put my money where my mouth is on this one, and
will give anyone £1,000 if they can indeed tell cables apart by sound
alone.

Stewart...

Go away, and leave the poor chap alone. You may be cynical about cables,
but they do make a difference in the analogue domain.

No, they don't, and you chickened out of proving your bull**** claims
about them, so put up or shut up. It's not cynicism, it's reality.

If you want to
start another argument about cables, then please do so in another
thread, and don't hijack this thread about someone who is asking for
sensible advice.

He just got some sensible advice - but not from you.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The OP is clearly on a budget. Maplin's
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...eNo=50&doy=1m3
will do fine for most domestic speaker runs.

Except for one small thing...

That cable at Maplin is 69p/metre, for 79-strand.

Gale XL-105 at Richer is 79p/metre. 105-strand OFC.

The Gale cable *will* sound better. For another 10p/metre. I don't think
that's going to break the bank.

As will the interconnects that come with the equipment.

cough

I think not. I would suggest the OP tries a £10 Atlantic interconnect
from Richer Sounds in place of the free rubbish that comes with equipment.

In fact, if Richer are quiet, they'll probably do that demo for you in
store. If you can't hear a difference, stick with the freebies. But I'm
sure you will hear a difference.

Money saved on not buying snake oil products can then be spent on
better speakers.

Yup, so no point buying anything from Russ Andrews then. :-P

--
Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Go away, and leave the poor chap alone. You may be cynical about cables,
but they do make a difference in the analogue domain.
No, they don't, and you chickened out of proving your bull**** claims
about them, so put up or shut up. It's not cynicism, it's reality.

As I recall I told you on several occasions that I wasn't going to play
your juvenile games.

Fact - I (along with a lot of other people) can hear a difference
between cables. Both speaker cables and interconnects.

Fact - Above a certain point, changing cables will no longer make a
difference.

Fact - there are a lot of snake oil merchants around, which
unfortunately makes a lot of people cynical about the real benefits of
using decent cables.

On each and every occasion, you resorted to name-calling, personal
insults and generally behaving like an antisocial bitter individual.

Perhaps if you didn't have such an attitude problem, someone might
actually take up your challenge and prove you wrong.

--
Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

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On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:30:33 +0000, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Fact - I (along with a lot of other people) can hear a difference
between cables. Both speaker cables and interconnects.

Fact - Above a certain point, changing cables will no longer make a
difference.

Fact - there are a lot of snake oil merchants around,

Two right out of three is not too bad.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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In article ,
Glenn Richards wrote:
The OP is clearly on a budget. Maplin's
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...eNo=50&doy=1m3
will do fine for most domestic speaker runs.

Except for one small thing...

That cable at Maplin is 69p/metre, for 79-strand.

Gale XL-105 at Richer is 79p/metre. 105-strand OFC.

The Gale cable *will* sound better. For another 10p/metre. I don't think
that's going to break the bank.

But that's not what you recommended. You talked about some silver crap.

BTW - any evidence that your choice of speaker cable '*will*' sound better?

--
*Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The Gale cable *will* sound better. For another 10p/metre. I don't
think that's going to break the bank.
But that's not what you recommended. You talked about some silver
crap.

No, I talked about some silver cable.

Just to recap...

When I upgraded my main speakers from Eltax Symphony 6 to Mordaunt-Short
Avant 908s, the guy at Richer threw in some Audio Innovations silver
bi-wire cable. Initially when I changed the speakers over I just left
the existing Gale XL-105/XL-189 in place, as it was quite difficult to
get to the back of the amplifier (and I couldn't find my wire strippers
at the time either).

After a couple of days (and I was seriously impressed with the Avants) I
figured it was worth a go changing the cables over. So I did. And heard
a massive difference.

Which I was *not* expecting. If anything, my expectations were that it
would sound exactly the same with the silver cable as with the OFC.

You can also rule out the "I paid lots of money for this so it'll sound
better" factor - I didn't pay anything for the cables, they were thrown
in for free when I bought the speakers.

BTW - any evidence that your choice of speaker cable '*will*' sound
better?

My ears. And various other experiments, including switching cables
around with other people in the room (who also heard the effects).

I've also done a blind test, swapping between a freebie and a Monster
Interlink 100. (I was doing the swapping on a friend's system.) He
determined with 100% accuracy which cable was in use, can't remember the
exact number of iterations but it was more than 10. 100% accuracy is too
good to be a lucky guess.

--
Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

Newbie's first seperates system
 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:30:33 +0000, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Go away, and leave the poor chap alone. You may be cynical about cables,
but they do make a difference in the analogue domain.
No, they don't, and you chickened out of proving your bull**** claims
about them, so put up or shut up. It's not cynicism, it's reality.

As I recall I told you on several occasions that I wasn't going to play
your juvenile games.

It's hard to hear cable differences when your head is so firmly stuck
in the sand - or some other dark place.

Fact - I (along with a lot of other people) can hear a difference
between cables. Both speaker cables and interconnects.

Fact - you just *imagine* that you can.

Fact - Above a certain point, changing cables will no longer make a
difference.

Fact - that point occurs when the cable is long enough to bridge the
gap between the connectots.

Fact - there are a lot of snake oil merchants around, which
unfortunately makes a lot of people cynical about the real benefits of
using decent cables.

Fact - you are one of them.

On each and every occasion, you resorted to name-calling, personal
insults and generally behaving like an antisocial bitter individual.

Perhaps if you didn't have such an attitude problem, someone might
actually take up your challenge and prove you wrong.

Fact - I'm only abrasive towards arseholes like you, and the challenge
has been on the table for six years, with no takers. All we get is
chicken****s like you who run their mouths, then run a mile when
challenged to *prove* their bull****.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering