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[email protected] March 8th 06 03:09 AM

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dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.


What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like Cabo
Wabo.


Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)


That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Jenn March 8th 06 03:12 AM

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In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like Cabo
Wabo.


Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)


That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Blind test? ;-)

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! March 8th 06 04:23 AM

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From: dizzy
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:31 pm
Email: dizzy

I've only recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.


I prefer anejo in most brands. Typically it's far smoother IMO


[email protected] March 8th 06 06:02 AM

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Jenn wrote:
In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like Cabo
Wabo.

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)


That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Blind test? ;-)


Before we get too scientific I note that Scotch, Burbon and
Teqila seem to limit the RAO contributors' horizon.
Will no one stand up for Cognac (don't confuse it with
"Brandy")?
I'd give them all away for one bottle of top Remy Martin..
Willing to take the quadruple blind test if someone will offer
the
bottle and pay expenses. What if I lose? I'll have had a good evening.
Ludovic Mirabel


Stewart Pinkerton March 8th 06 06:47 AM

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On 7 Mar 2006 21:23:52 -0800, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:

From: dizzy
Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 8:31 pm
Email: dizzy

I've only recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.


I prefer anejo in most brands. Typically it's far smoother IMO


Reasonable, since that just means 'aged'.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Eiron March 8th 06 07:59 AM

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wrote:

Before we get too scientific I note that Scotch, Burbon and
Teqila seem to limit the RAO contributors' horizon.
Will no one stand up for Cognac (don't confuse it with "Brandy")?


Why limit your horizons to Cognac?
Armagnac can be good. Vecchia Romagna is OK for the casual drinker.
Asbach Uralt is too teutonic for me but some may appreciate the technology.
Carneros, from California, is as good as anything France can make.
And of course Calvados for breakfast....

--
Eiron

There's something scary about stupidity made coherent - Tom Stoppard.

[email protected] March 8th 06 05:12 PM

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Eiron wrote:
wrote:

Before we get too scientific I note that Scotch, Burbon and
Teqila seem to limit the RAO contributors' horizon.
Will no one stand up for Cognac (don't confuse it with "Brandy")?


Why limit your horizons to Cognac?
Armagnac can be good. Vecchia Romagna is OK for the casual drinker.
Asbach Uralt is too teutonic for me but some may appreciate the technology.
Carneros, from California, is as good as anything France can make.
And of course Calvados for breakfast....

--
Eiron

There's something scary about stupidity made coherent - Tom Stoppard.


I bow to your encyclopedic depth of experience. Don't know Vecchia
Romagna or Carneros. It might be "as good as anything France can make"
but... I have yet to taste a California Cabernet that comes close to
good
Bordeaux such as Chateau Pavie of a good vintage year. Sadly in
impecunious retirement memories only remain.
Armagnac to me is nowhere near good Cognac. Asbach Uralt had
better not be mentioned in the context.
Don't know Calvados. But, (perhaps I'm partial for etrhnic reasons),

nothing beats frozen potato Vodka such as Polish "Luksusova" or
Baczewski from Austria for casual drinking
(accompanied of course by piquant mouthful of salty herring)
Ludovic Mirabel.


March 8th 06 06:09 PM

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"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like
Cabo
Wabo.

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)


That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Blind test? ;-)


No reason to yet. They are sufficently different that they can be
determined without it.

Of course I did have some expectation bias I suppose, but it turned out to
be nothing sinc e my expectaion was that the other similarly priced Tequila
would have smoother taste than the lower priced stuff.



Stewart Pinkerton March 8th 06 06:54 PM

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:09:00 GMT, wrote:


"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like
Cabo
Wabo.

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)

That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Blind test? ;-)


No reason to yet. They are sufficently different that they can be
determined without it.

Of course I did have some expectation bias I suppose, but it turned out to
be nothing sinc e my expectaion was that the other similarly priced Tequila
would have smoother taste than the lower priced stuff.


If you wish to take a blind test, there is absolutely nothing to touch
a nice absinthe!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

dizzy March 8th 06 11:41 PM

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On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:09:19 -0800, wrote:

dizzy wrote:

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)


That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


You want smooth? Try Chinaco blanco. Hard to believe it's tequila.


dizzy March 8th 06 11:45 PM

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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:47:36 +0000, Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

I've only recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.


I prefer anejo in most brands. Typically it's far smoother IMO


Reasonable, since that just means 'aged'.


But it can pick up a "woody" flavor from sitting in those oak barrels for
so long...

Maybe it's my inexperience showing, but the blancos seem the smoothest,
with not much taste at all, which is why I switched to reposado.


Jenn March 9th 06 06:51 AM

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In article et,
wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like
Cabo
Wabo.

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)

That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.


Blind test? ;-)


No reason to yet. They are sufficently different that they can be
determined without it.

Of course I did have some expectation bias I suppose, but it turned out to
be nothing sinc e my expectaion was that the other similarly priced Tequila
would have smoother taste than the lower priced stuff.


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward LP because I'm
a "dupe" or "have been powerfully influenced by some male authority
figure" turns out to be nothing because my expectation is that CD is
superior in every way.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! March 9th 06 07:14 AM

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From: Stewart Pinkerton
Date: Wed, Mar 8 2006 1:47 am
Email: Stewart Pinkerton

I prefer anejo in most brands. Typically it's far smoother IMO


Reasonable, since that just means 'aged'.


I think that there are legal standards for each in Mexico though. I
picked up a very nice, very smooth, very well-made low volume reposado
from a family distillery while I was there last month. Excellent stuff.

IIRC, Anejo (aged) is aged in oak barrels for one year, Reposado
(rested) for 2-12 months in oak or glass tanks. I may be wrong, but who
cares?

After a couple of either even r.a.o. seems bearable.:-)

Now what should I do with this 15-year-old MacAllan that I have? Those
****ing Scottish gets are so cheap it was probably rested (briefly) in
knotty pine tubs. That might be why it took them 15 years to sell it.


dave weil March 9th 06 11:34 AM

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On 9 Mar 2006 00:14:32 -0800, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:

Now what should I do with this 15-year-old MacAllan that I have? Those
****ing Scottish gets are so cheap it was probably rested (briefly) in
knotty pine tubs. That might be why it took them 15 years to sell it.


This is one of the main differences between bourbon and scotch.
Bourbon makers only use their barrels once. Then they sell their old
used charred barrels to the scotch.

Thrifty is as thrifty does.

Arny Krueger March 9th 06 11:37 AM

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"Jenn" wrote in message


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward
LP because I'm a "dupe" or "have been powerfully
influenced by some male authority figure" turns out to be
nothing because my expectation is that CD is superior in
every way.


A claim that is easily denied by looking at any number of Jenn's posts.

It's amazing how so many different people that post on different forums have
come to the same conclusion about her opinion on the CD versus LP issue.



dave weil March 9th 06 12:14 PM

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:37:44 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

It's amazing how so many different people that post on different forums have
come to the same conclusion about her opinion on the CD versus LP issue.


Yeah, it's amazing that so many people would like that people not
express opinions about their PERSONAL PREFERENCE that run counter to
their belief systems, isn't it?

It's also amazing that people don't seem to want to allow that people
interpret sound differently than they might and they're not willing to
grant people the lattitude to make judgments based on their experience
if it means that the conclusion doesn't jibe with theirs.

Fortunately, this isn't even a situation where you can make a dbt an
issue...

It's a wacky world, that nutty USENET.

Jenn March 9th 06 03:11 PM

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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward
LP because I'm a "dupe" or "have been powerfully
influenced by some male authority figure" turns out to be
nothing because my expectation is that CD is superior in
every way.


A claim that is easily denied by looking at any number of Jenn's posts.


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to be superior in
every way, and that's the truth. They are more convenient, more readily
available, and there is more music (my main interest) available in
print. I listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and I own
many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that the average CD
sounds better in just about every way to the average LP. I would have
to be an idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.


It's amazing how so many different people that post on different forums have
come to the same conclusion about her opinion on the CD versus LP issue.


It is amazing, isn't it, given the above statement that I've made in the
two audio groups to which I post. But then it's also amazing that
several people thought that I've stated that I have better hearing than
others, in spite of the fact that I've never said that; a fact that they
realized when challenged to find such a post. So yes; amazing.

Arny Krueger March 9th 06 03:16 PM

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"Jenn" wrote in message


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth.


Sue me for reading more than just Jenn posts like this one. IOW Sue me for
looking at more than just a few of your posts.

They are
more convenient, more readily available, and there is
more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that
the average CD sounds better in just about every way to
the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to not CDs
to sound better. And, I'm a believer in science and I
understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.



And what is it that you say about the sound of strings on LPs and CDs, Jenn?





Jenn March 9th 06 03:21 PM

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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth.


Sue me for reading more than just Jenn posts like this one. IOW Sue me for
looking at more than just a few of your posts.


Oh, read all that you want; be my guest. There's nothing to indicate
anything different from the above.


They are
more convenient, more readily available, and there is
more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that
the average CD sounds better in just about every way to
the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to not want CDs
to sound better. And, I'm a believer in science and I
understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.



And what is it that you say about the sound of strings on LPs and CDs, Jenn?


It's well known here; use Google.

Arny Krueger March 9th 06 03:26 PM

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"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth.


Sue me for reading more than just Jenn posts like this
one. IOW Sue me for looking at more than just a few of
your posts.


Oh, read all that you want; be my guest. There's nothing
to indicate anything different from the above.


They are
more convenient, more readily available, and there is
more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think
that the average CD sounds better in just about every
way to
the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to not
want CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we
presently understand it tells us that CDs should sound
better than all LPs.



And what is it that you say about the sound of strings
on LPs and CDs, Jenn?


It's well known here; use Google.


I thought I'd get the 3/9/2006 11:25 am EST version.



Jenn March 9th 06 03:35 PM

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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth.

Sue me for reading more than just Jenn posts like this
one. IOW Sue me for looking at more than just a few of
your posts.


Oh, read all that you want; be my guest. There's nothing
to indicate anything different from the above.


They are
more convenient, more readily available, and there is
more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think
that the average CD sounds better in just about every
way to
the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to not
want CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we
presently understand it tells us that CDs should sound
better than all LPs.


And what is it that you say about the sound of strings
on LPs and CDs, Jenn?


It's well known here; use Google.


I thought I'd get the 3/9/2006 11:25 am EST version.


It's no different from all of the other "versions".

March 9th 06 05:05 PM

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"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article et,
wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
" wrote:

dizzy wrote:
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like
Cabo
Wabo.

Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting...
I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion
as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)

That was the surprising thing about the Cabo Wabo, it was smooth, no
harshness as is typical with lesser stuff.

Tried the Paron and IIRC it was a bit harsher than the CW.

Blind test? ;-)


No reason to yet. They are sufficently different that they can be
determined without it.

Of course I did have some expectation bias I suppose, but it turned out
to
be nothing sinc e my expectaion was that the other similarly priced
Tequila
would have smoother taste than the lower priced stuff.


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward LP because I'm
a "dupe" or "have been powerfully influenced by some male authority
figure" turns out to be nothing because my expectation is that CD is
superior in every way.


Then obvioulsy the problem is not with CD as a medium, it's something else.



George M. Middius March 9th 06 05:06 PM

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Jenn said:

It's well known here; use Google.


I thought I'd get the 3/9/2006 11:25 am EST version.


It's no different from all of the other "versions".


Maybe it's the same to you, but a new post is free of Kroo-turds. The old
ones are larded up pretty good. So it's different until Krooger does his
thing, and then it's the same.






George M. Middius March 9th 06 05:34 PM

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The Bug Eater tries lying at his confessional.

Then obvioulsy the problem is not with CD as a medium, it's something else.


The biggest problem is your stupidity. No, wait, it's your hatred of
others' preferences. Oops, I forgot about your enduring love for Arnii
Krooborg. Darn -- there's also your hypocrisy about aBxism rituals, which
you profess to love but actually are terrified of.

Never mind, Mikey. You have so many problems that just one could never be
"the problem".





dave weil March 9th 06 05:48 PM

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:21:46 GMT, Jenn
wrote:

They are
more convenient, more readily available, and there is
more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that
the average CD sounds better in just about every way to
the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to not want CDs
to sound better. And, I'm a believer in science and I
understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.



And what is it that you say about the sound of strings on LPs and CDs, Jenn?


It's well known here; use Google.


It's well-known that Arnold thinks that Google lies.

Stewart Pinkerton March 9th 06 06:49 PM

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:11:05 GMT, Jenn
wrote:

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward
LP because I'm a "dupe" or "have been powerfully
influenced by some male authority figure" turns out to be
nothing because my expectation is that CD is superior in
every way.


A claim that is easily denied by looking at any number of Jenn's posts.


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to be superior in
every way, and that's the truth. They are more convenient, more readily
available, and there is more music (my main interest) available in
print. I listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and I own
many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that the average CD
sounds better in just about every way to the average LP. I would have
to be an idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.


Ah, well, not really. It tells us that CD will always sound closer to
the mixdown master tape than will vinyl, but if that's a bad master,
then the CD won't sound very good!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton March 9th 06 06:49 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:34:43 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On 9 Mar 2006 00:14:32 -0800, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:

Now what should I do with this 15-year-old MacAllan that I have? Those
****ing Scottish gets are so cheap it was probably rested (briefly) in
knotty pine tubs. That might be why it took them 15 years to sell it.


This is one of the main differences between bourbon and scotch.
Bourbon makers only use their barrels once. Then they sell their old
used charred barrels to the scotch.

Thrifty is as thrifty does.


Correct. We let the Yanks take the rough edge off the wood.... :-)

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Iain Churches March 10th 06 06:32 AM

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:11:05 GMT, Jenn
wrote:

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


Similarly, any expectation bias that I might have toward
LP because I'm a "dupe" or "have been powerfully
influenced by some male authority figure" turns out to be
nothing because my expectation is that CD is superior in
every way.

A claim that is easily denied by looking at any number of Jenn's posts.


Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to be superior in
every way, and that's the truth. They are more convenient, more readily
available, and there is more music (my main interest) available in
print. I listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and I own
many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that the average CD
sounds better in just about every way to the average LP. I would have
to be an idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.


Ah, well, not really. It tells us that CD will always sound closer to
the mixdown master tape than will vinyl, but if that's a bad master,
then the CD won't sound very good!
--


That's it in a nutshell, The potential for CD is enormous. But this
potential is often not reached due to a less than good final product.
Sad too is the fact that most people are perfectly happy with
what they buy, and don't really care.

Iain




[email protected] March 10th 06 08:04 AM

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George M. Middius wrote:
The Bug Eater tries lying at his confessional.

Then obvioulsy the problem is not with CD as a medium, it's something else.


The biggest problem is your stupidity.


It's now stupid to prefer the most accurate medium for playback of
recorded music?
Got it.

No, wait, it's your hatred of
others' preferences.


Arguing that a claim of sonic superiority from LP is impossible, makes
it an attack on preference?
Got it.

Oops, I forgot about your enduring love for Arnii
Krooborg. Darn


Respecting the knowledge of audio electronics that Arny and other
engineers bring to RAO is now confused with love?
I guess I'll just have to consider the source on that one.
You would seem very confused, if it were not for the fact that you are
a stranger to the truth in most instances, I might think you weren't
very smart.


-- there's also your hypocrisy about aBxism rituals, which
you profess to love but actually are terrified of.


I don't profess to love them, I understand that they are what they are,
an accurate way to determine subtle differences in audio equipment. I
am not afraid of them and if I ever get a chance to particiate in one
or many, I will. I'm going to have a go at the PCABX thing and see how
I do. Wiill you? I doubt it, of course everybody knows it not
because you are afraid, or is it?


Never mind, Mikey. You have so many problems that just one could never be
"the problem".


I have my share of of problems, yet you don't really know what any of
them are, not that I would be likely to tell you.

Luckily however, I am not burdened with being a swine, liar and all
round disgusting piece of ****, devoid of integrity or conscience, you
know, like you.


[email protected] March 10th 06 08:04 AM

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George M. Middius wrote:
The Bug Eater tries lying at his confessional.

Then obvioulsy the problem is not with CD as a medium, it's something else.


The biggest problem is your stupidity.


It's now stupid to prefer the most accurate medium for playback of
recorded music?
Got it.

No, wait, it's your hatred of
others' preferences.


Arguing that a claim of sonic superiority from LP is impossible, makes
it an attack on preference?
Got it.

Oops, I forgot about your enduring love for Arnii
Krooborg. Darn


Respecting the knowledge of audio electronics that Arny and other
engineers bring to RAO is now confused with love?
I guess I'll just have to consider the source on that one.
You would seem very confused, if it were not for the fact that you are
a stranger to the truth in most instances, I might think you weren't
very smart.


-- there's also your hypocrisy about aBxism rituals, which
you profess to love but actually are terrified of.


I don't profess to love them, I understand that they are what they are,
an accurate way to determine subtle differences in audio equipment. I
am not afraid of them and if I ever get a chance to particiate in one
or many, I will. I'm going to have a go at the PCABX thing and see how
I do. Wiill you? I doubt it, of course everybody knows it not
because you are afraid, or is it?


Never mind, Mikey. You have so many problems that just one could never be
"the problem".


I have my share of of problems, yet you don't really know what any of
them are, not that I would be likely to tell you.

Luckily however, I am not burdened with being a swine, liar and all
round disgusting piece of ****, devoid of integrity or conscience, you
know, like you.


Arny Krueger March 10th 06 01:11 PM

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message



That's it in a nutshell, The potential for CD is
enormous.


Two words: sonically transparent.

But this potential is often not reached due to
a less than good final product.


Actually, the potential of the CD format is *never* reached in the final
product.

Sad too is the fact that
most people are perfectly happy with what they buy, and don't really care.


As a rule, not even live performances are up to the potential for the CD
format. As a rule, recordings of live performances are audibly trashed by
the time they reach the mic cables, and generally things go downhill after
that.



Arny Krueger March 10th 06 01:18 PM

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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote in message

The Bug Eater tries lying at his confessional.

Then obvioulsy the problem is not with CD as a medium,
it's something else.


The biggest problem is your stupidity.


Hmm, the stupidist person who posts here is Art Sackman. Why isn't his
stupidity the biggest problem?


No, wait, it's your hatred of others' preferences.


Preferences could be a serious issue, but around here thay are mostly just a
smoke screen that people hide behind to avoid admitting that the world is
different than what they religiously believe in.

Oops, I forgot about your enduring love for Arnii Krooborg.


Arnii Krooborg is a person who seems to exist only in the mind of George
Middius, who in turn exists only in the minds of his perpetrators and
worshippers. He is any port in a storm for those who want to hold onto their
religious beliefs about audio, even if Middius the ugliest and most widely
reviled long-running persona in the history of Usenet audio groups.

Darn -- there's
also your hypocrisy about aBxism rituals, which you
profess to love but actually are terrified of.


In fact it is the so-called subjectivists who are afraid of bias-controlled
listening tests.

In the eyes of the poorly-informed there is often a conflict between science
and their religious beliefs.




Dave Plowman (News) March 10th 06 01:30 PM

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In article
,
Jenn wrote:
Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to be superior in
every way, and that's the truth. They are more convenient, more readily
available, and there is more music (my main interest) available in
print. I listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and I own
many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that the average CD
sounds better in just about every way to the average LP. I would have
to be an idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.


To explain slightly, a CD and decent CD player will give an exact
rendition of the material recorded on that CD. Philips and Sony made sure
the parameters were up to this when launching the first domestic system
capable of giving 'studio' quality. But it can't make up for a poor
quality master tape or whatever - it just reproduces that warts and all.

--
*Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Arny Krueger March 10th 06 01:42 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message
In article
,
Jenn wrote:
Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth. They
are more convenient, more readily available, and there
is more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and
I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think
that the average CD sounds better in just about every
way to the average LP. I would have to be an idiot to
not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in science
and I understand that the science as we presently
understand it tells us that CDs should sound better than
all LPs.


To explain slightly, a CD and decent CD player will give
an exact rendition of the material recorded on that CD.
Philips and Sony made sure the parameters were up to this
when launching the first domestic system capable of
giving 'studio' quality. But it can't make up for a poor
quality master tape or whatever - it just reproduces that
warts and all.


The core of the misunderstanding by the golden ears is that they've never
heard a mic feed with a good system. They actually believe that most of the
life gets sucked out of the music further on down the production chain.



George M. Middius March 10th 06 01:51 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 


Dave Plowborg chanted:

To explain slightly, a CD and decent CD player will give an exact
rendition of the material recorded on that CD.


To clarify slightly, Plowborg is immune to all nuances of quality. He
believes that his understanding of music is fully digitized and that the
emotional impetus of composers, and the corresponding emotional
responses of listeners, are irrelevant. He truly believes that his way
of dealing with the vagaries of art is superior because he can
concentrate on "getting the job done" without the distractions of human
emotional response.






Jenn March 10th 06 01:59 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article
,
Jenn wrote:
Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to be superior in
every way, and that's the truth. They are more convenient, more readily
available, and there is more music (my main interest) available in
print. I listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs and I own
many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I think that the average CD
sounds better in just about every way to the average LP. I would have
to be an idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer in
science and I understand that the science as we presently understand it
tells us that CDs should sound better than all LPs.


To explain slightly, a CD and decent CD player will give an exact
rendition of the material recorded on that CD. Philips and Sony made sure
the parameters were up to this when launching the first domestic system
capable of giving 'studio' quality. But it can't make up for a poor
quality master tape or whatever - it just reproduces that warts and all.


The AES paper that was recently referenced seems to indicate that given
the same input, CD masters can sound different one from the other.

[email protected] March 10th 06 02:31 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
To clarify slightly, Plowborg is immune to all nuances of quality.
(rest of the crap snipped).

Coming from you, this endorsement will have me paying a bit more
attention to what Mr. Plowman has to write. Not quite a case of 'if
little Georgie hates it, it must be good', but mighty close. I am still
waiting for those sock-puppets...

Definition of Sock Puppet: One who can feel Mr. McCoy's fingers at the
back of his throat... How do they taste, Georgie?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Arny Krueger March 10th 06 03:29 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article
,
Jenn wrote:
Incorrect. I've stated several times that I WANT CD to
be superior in every way, and that's the truth. They
are more convenient, more readily available, and there
is more music (my main interest) available in print. I
listen to CDs a great deal more than I listen to LPs
and I own many more CDs than I do LPs. Further, I
think that the average CD sounds better in just about
every way to the average LP. I would have to be an
idiot to not CDs to sound better. And, I'm a believer
in science and I understand that the science as we
presently understand it tells us that CDs should sound
better than all LPs.


To explain slightly, a CD and decent CD player will give
an exact rendition of the material recorded on that CD.
Philips and Sony made sure the parameters were up to
this when launching the first domestic system capable of
giving 'studio' quality. But it can't make up for a poor
quality master tape or whatever - it just reproduces
that warts and all.


The AES paper that was recently referenced seems to
indicate that given the same input, CD masters can sound
different one from the other.


Remember, this is a 14 year old AES conference paper, not a JAES article.
AFAIK the only part of a conference paper that is formally reviewed is the
title, and that review is at a fairly low level. So, any statements you find
in the paper are questionable, and in this case, pretty much obsolete. One
of the things that happened when this paper was given, was that it was
questioned. None of those questions or the answers are in the paper.



dave weil March 10th 06 03:58 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:18:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

The biggest problem is your stupidity.


Hmm, the stupidist person who posts here is Art Sackman.


A DOUBLE Irony Alert!

A two-fer.

Cool...

dave weil March 10th 06 04:00 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:29:07 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Remember, this is a 14 year old AES conference paper, not a JAES article.
AFAIK the only part of a conference paper that is formally reviewed is the
title, and that review is at a fairly low level.


So, that makes the 20-plus year old ABX site even MORE irrelevant in
terms of using as a reference.

Cool.


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