WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time. He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps. His 4607 posts were all abusive. Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published. As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.
As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.
Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners). In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view. By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it. From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

Andre Jute

Part of a series of articles:
WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE
1. BACKGROUND
2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
3. PINKERTON'S IGNORANCE OF THE BASICS
4. PINKERTON LIES ON PROFESSIONAL MATTERS FOR PERSONAL REASONS
5. CONCLUSION

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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps.

Tranlation: Stewart was going to expose Jute's ignorance and try to prevent
others from following in Jute's footsteps.

His 4607 posts were all abusive.

Unlike Jute's posts which are complete crap.

Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published.

IOW, it was the only one simpleenough for you to understand.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.

IOW, Jute didn't change a thing bcause he didn't have another book to copy
from.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.

IOW, nobody built the KISS amp, not even Jute.

Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners).

IOW, Jute was shown for the incompetent boob that everybody already knew he
was.

In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view.

Something you couldn't possibly know.

By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it.

After how long? A year? Two?

From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

IOW Stewart designed and built his KISS Ass amp and then waited for Jute to
build his. Finally he posted a picture of the amp which was shown to have
been taken just a few days ago and not at the time Jute claims he built it.

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

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How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?

So: Either McCoy is incompetent, or McCoy both lies and is
incompetent? By your contention, you must chose one of these as you
cannot have it both ways.

But, most every one here knew that already.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Unfortunately for you, SET amps are not necessarily ****ty sounding.
At rec.audio.tubes, ppl are expected to be positively interestested in tube
craft,
rather than have a destructive agenda.

Stewart Pinkerton, aka Oinkerton the Pig, is like somebody who would join in
discussions
at rec.radio.amateur.homebrew by trying to tell all the assembled hobbyists and
other
commercial interested folks there that they are a stupid bunch of fools because
they
dare to build their own radio gear when of course it is easier and more
effective to use the Internet
to transfer information.





Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

What does onw call one's own amp that one builds? One calls it one's own.
It may be almost identical to other designs, but it is the amp that Andre built,

and Andre has a right to say it is his, so ppl know that, and know the
differences between it and anyone else's design.

Pinkerton failed to establish why Andre's amp was a piece of crap,
and failed quite miserably to build anything better, and durung the process
rightly earned his nickname as Oinkerton, because his attidude was
the same as a person insisting he sell pork in a synogogue.





Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

Andre simply points out the fact that Oinkerton posted a pile of many unwanted,
unappreciated
and idiotic posts at rec.audio.tubes.
I don't know if Oinkerton posted 46, 460, 4,600 times.
But he did post a great amount of ****, none of which earned him the slightest
amount of
respect amounf the few here with a real interest in tube craft of amoung the
closit
solderers who build home brew solid state gear.



He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps.

Tranlation: Stewart was going to expose Jute's ignorance and try to prevent
others from following in Jute's footsteps.

But Oinkerton's ignorance is far worse, and anyone following in his footsteps
will get bogged
and smelly so much faster than if you followed in Andre's steps.





His 4607 posts were all abusive.

Unlike Jute's posts which are complete crap.

Oinkerton is anti tubecraft, Andre is pro-tubecraft.

Thius is a tube craft group; rec.audio.tubes is its title.

if you cannot or will not contribute positively to tube craft
then **** off.



Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published.

IOW, it was the only one simpleenough for you to understand.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.

IOW, Jute didn't change a thing bcause he didn't have another book to copy
from.

Jute's circuit works. There was no reason for him to change anything.

Before you so stupidly try to convince us Andre is merely copying out what he
found in a book,
please provide evidence to support your alegations.
From which book did Andre copy his info from?



As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.

IOW, nobody built the KISS amp, not even Jute.

Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners).

IOW, Jute was shown for the incompetent boob that everybody already knew he
was.

Not correct.
Oinkerton admitted before ceasing to post at rec.audio tubes for some months
that
he hadn't built the supposedly simple SS amp he had designed.
He had no intention to build a working sample, test it honestly, post the
results,
and do so all without posting personally inflamatatory comments about the
300B amp.

To anyone reading r.a.t who has an IQ above 50, Oinkerton seems to come across
as a
complete jerk.

Andre may be wordy, and long winded, but he's fundementally here for the tubes.
He has a flair for demolishing ppl like Oinkerton, something Oinkerton begs for.

Unfortunately, the argy bargy between the two doesn't look good to the fragiles
who come here
to talk tubes, they go away, seeking safer refuges where their opinions won't be

attacked by jerks like Oinkerton.

Oinkerton's presence s has degraded what might otherwise be a good discussion
group.
Despite this time of year being cool in the northern hemisphre with ppl mainly
locked indoors
with their hobbies at least at night, hardly anyone is building gear and
discussing the experiences
here like they used to.
One reaon is that Oinketon and his sympathisers are too everpresent.

Oinkerton would be immediately banned, filtered out, kill filed in any moderated
group.



In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view.

Something you couldn't possibly know.

By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it.

After how long? A year? Two?

And what exactly is your analysis?

Just what informative and useful point are you trying to make?



From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

IOW Stewart designed and built his KISS Ass amp and then waited for Jute to
build his. Finally he posted a picture of the amp which was shown to have
been taken just a few days ago and not at the time Jute claims he built it.

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

Patrick Turner.

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I don't know about any mccoy or if he is lying, etc, all I know is that
one needs to be some mother of an asshole to deem an amp one has never
heard as "****ty" sounding.

I think that descriptive was of a class of amps, not of any given
example of that class. Although I agree in principle with what you say.


The brute fact of the matter is that flea-power amps (whether SET or
otherwise) have severe limitations such that under most normal field
conditions they would almost have to sound '****ty'. SET then brings
with it its own addiitonal set of problems that restrict "non-****ty"
behavior even more.

There are circus performers who can suspend a dozen or more spinning
china plates on the top of thin sticks. As long as he works hard at it,
the plates will stay in place. But that would be a rather ****ty way to
store them permanently.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

I don't see why he would be obliged to appease your demands for attribution.

Of course you don't.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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Fella wrote:

"I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old
stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me
would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently? "

Your post really gets to the heart of the matter. I'm willing to bet
that none of the (ir)regular denizens of RAO and RAT will make a
meaningful reply to it.

TB

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So in general, I am under the impression that whoever is angry at this POS old inflated ego stew of warts oinkerton must probably have a good reason to be so.

True.

But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.

He might gather more than a few detractors. Some of them might even get
strident. Most fanatics get quite unhappy when their particular
religion is challenged. And when that challenge has actual evidence,
said fanatics may become positively rabid. Now we have a vicious
circle. There is more of that than of righteous anger in Mr. McCoy. And
don't doubt for one hummingbird heartbeat that Mr. McCoy and Mr.
Pinkerton don't need and depend on each other and fulfill each other.
Otherwise one of them would get a glimmer of a clue, sit on his fingers
and simply shut up about it. That would garner more credibility and in
short order than any number of words.

Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... " and then state "But I am writing for myself
and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.

At this moment, I have connected to mains-power (that is, plugged in if
not turned on) something like 65 vacuum tubes in eight pieces of
equipment, representing three separate power amps and supporting
equipment. And about 300 transistors spread out about the same way. I
like 'em both. Tubes add an element of just-plain-fun to the hobby as
well. Transistors are much more utilitarian... but also more
challenging as it (usually) takes more of them to get anywhere. But I
would never presume to state that my choices are or should be the only
choices, are or should be your choices. I will unabashedly say that you
should give my choices a listen and draw your own conclusions.... not
*quite* the same thing. And I will make suggestions to others based on
my choices and experience. But I will not dictate to them.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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Fella wrote:


Well I guess we need to agree to disagree on this Peter. AFAIK, it is
exactly after such *similar* statements as: "I prefer
pickyourchoiceofpreference to all other media because..... " that the
kruegers and pinkertons of the usenet (and their countless sockpuppets)
flock in for the kill.


Should add that provided that your preference is not related to redbook
CD's and off the shelf mainstream japanese gear.

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On 2 Mar 2006 15:50:23 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Psychotic rants ignored out of pity, but one point noted: Every one of
my posts on this subject was matched by a significantly longer one
from Jute, and he is the one who keeps creating pure attack threads,
as he did right from my very first post on KISS. Interested readers
can draw the obvious conclusions regarding psychotic fixations.

Given that I know how much time I spend at my keyboard (about an hour
a day *total*), I also doubt the 4607 figure. God knows how much time
he's going to devote to this current series of psychotic attacks.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).


Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so
that he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another
example of a ****ty sounding amp.

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?

Consider it a freebie. What is your salary for being a complete dork?

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"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?


So: Either McCoy is incompetent, or McCoy both lies and is
incompetent? By your contention, you must chose one of these as you
cannot have it both ways.

But, most every one here knew that already.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


I don't know about any mccoy or if he is lying, etc, all I know is that
one needs to be some mother of an asshole to deem an amp one has never
heard as "****ty" sounding.

Thank you for showing your ignorance of SET amps.

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" said:


But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.


Mr. Jute never said that SET amps are the only way to go, he himself
prefers a PP EL34 in triode amplifier, if I'm correctly informed.


Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... " and then state "But I am writing for myself
and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.


If one adds the line "In my opinion", or "just speaking for myself" ,
one is almost certain to be attacked for saying that by Arny Krueger.


Oh well, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Let the fools in this world argue and bitch each other to death, I'll
continue to listen to my music on various amps, both tube and MOSFET.
And, even better, I'll continue to build them myself.

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

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"Fella" wrote in message
...
wrote:

So in general, I am under the impression that whoever is angry at this
POS old inflated ego stew of warts oinkerton must probably have a good
reason to be so.


True.

But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.

Well normally no "non-beleiver" would be attending such a party where such
"blasphemy" would be uttered so who cares? I remember that in the movie
our protogonist actualy did say things to that effect, which made me
smile. (The movie was mainly about some twisted love affair between this
teenage girl and the middle aged 78 collector, nothing to do with audio
per se)..



Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... "


Yes and it is precisely at *that* stage the pukey pukey postman would step
in with "You don't know your facts from your asshole you cretin!" or
somesuch..



and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.

Well I guess we need to agree to disagree on this Peter. AFAIK, it is
exactly after such *similar* statements as: "I prefer
pickyourchoiceofpreference to all other media because..... " that the
kruegers and pinkertons of the usenet (and their countless sockpuppets)
flock in for the kill.


Nope, only when they make claims, such as SET is the best sounding, most
accurate sounding amp in the universe.

There's also the fact that Jute is an all around asshole, who lies as easy
as most people breathe.
He's kinda like a Middisu clone only without the charisma.




And I will make suggestions to others based on
my choices and experience. But I will not dictate to them.

Sounds reasonable.

I will, btw, have my first serious tube amp session this tuesday. :) A
freind is going to bring one over to my listening room for an audition..
The only tube amp I have seriously listened up to now was this prima luna
prolouge two. I thought the bass was blown out proportion in a
humpty-dumpty sort of a way so much that I was distracted from being able
to appreciate its tube qualities, or fun.. But I am keeping an open mind
for tuesday. Just as with SS amps, I am sure that not everything sounds
the same with tube amps also.


Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so
that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example
of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Unfortunately for you, SET amps are not necessarily ****ty sounding.
Once you get past the first watt, they are essentiually distorion
generators.

At rec.audio.tubes, ppl are expected to be positively interestested in
tube
craft,
rather than have a destructive agenda.

Then Mr. Mcoy should confine his complaints to that NG instead of
crossposting to every audio group in the known universe.

Stewart Pinkerton, aka Oinkerton the Pig, is like somebody who would join
in
discussions
at rec.radio.amateur.homebrew by trying to tell all the assembled
hobbyists and
other
commercial interested folks there that they are a stupid bunch of fools
because
they
dare to build their own radio gear when of course it is easier and more
effective to use the Internet
to transfer information.

No, Stewart Pinkerton is a qualified EE who has forgotten more about audio
design, than Mr. McCoy will ever learn. He likes to debunk crap such as the
KISS amp because he knows it to be junk and because he doesn't think people
should lie about things being their own desing, whent hey cribbed them from
elsewhere.





Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was
said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

What does onw call one's own amp that one builds? One calls it one's own.

I guess that would be fair if the ****ing thing ever got built. Instead of
pretending that it was built a year ago, instead of posting a picture that
was taken only a few days ago and trying to pretend that it was taken many
months ago, to prove that the amp was built them instead of recently.

Pinkerton and many others have debunked that little tidbit and still
Jute/McCoy/Munchausen is pretending that it isn't so.

It may be almost identical to other designs, but it is the amp that Andre
built,

and Andre has a right to say it is his, so ppl know that, and know the
differences between it and anyone else's design.

Pinkerton failed to establish why Andre's amp was a piece of crap,
and failed quite miserably to build anything better, and durung the
process
rightly earned his nickname as Oinkerton, because his attidude was
the same as a person insisting he sell pork in a synogogue.

He didn't fail to do that, he's been spelling it out for months.



Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

Andre simply points out the fact that Oinkerton posted a pile of many
unwanted,
unappreciated
and idiotic posts at rec.audio.tubes.

Which is a public forum, if you don't want other people critique-ing your
stuff don't post there or killfile the people you don't want to hear from.
The fact is that McCoy likes the attention and it's basically the reason he
posts at all.

I don't know if Oinkerton posted 46, 460, 4,600 times.
But he did post a great amount of ****, none of which earned him the
slightest
amount of
respect amounf the few here with a real interest in tube craft of amoung
the
closit
solderers who build home brew solid state gear.

So far only McCoy and you (his sockpuppet) have complained about it.

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Fella wrote:

But still, preference bashing where it is unwarranted, is simply an
assholistic thing to do, if I may coin in a new word here, humbly..

I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently?

My dear Fella,

This is an excellent analysis. On RAT we're pretty blunt: we merely say
that Pinkerton is slime because he insists on porkbutchering in the
synagogue. That is why we call him Oinkerton, because he's a pig who
pushes his way in where he is not wanted.

Minor correction: I'm not angry. Stepping on the enemies of society is
what I do for a living.

Andre Jute

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fella wrote:

But still, preference bashing where it is unwarranted, is simply an
assholistic thing to do, if I may coin in a new word here, humbly..

I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently?

My dear Fella,

This is an excellent analysis. On RAT we're pretty blunt: we merely say
that Pinkerton is slime because he insists on porkbutchering in the
synagogue. That is why we call him Oinkerton, because he's a pig who
pushes his way in where he is not wanted.


What is this "we" ****? Do you meanyou and your assorted sockpuppets?

Minor correction: I'm not angry. Stepping on the enemies of society is
what I do for a living.


Then step on yourself.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

Should add that provided that your preference is not related to redbook
CD's and off the shelf mainstream japanese gear.

My opinion of off-the-shelf mainstream Pacific Rim gear is that it
is like homogenized milk. Uniform throughout and about as interesting.
Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to the individual
consumer.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote:

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to?

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote:

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to?

I could, but then I'd have to kill you.
Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET
amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion?

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 2 Mar 2006 15:50:23 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Psychotic rants ignored out of pity, but one point noted: Every one of
my posts on this subject was matched by a significantly longer one
from Jute, and he is the one who keeps creating pure attack threads,
as he did right from my very first post on KISS. Interested readers
can draw the obvious conclusions regarding psychotic fixations.

Given that I know how much time I spend at my keyboard (about an hour
a day *total*), I also doubt the 4607 figure. God knows how much time
he's going to devote to this current series of psychotic attacks.
--

When I did a Google search for the words Andre, Jute, McCoy, with you as the
author, I only got 2000 total. Of course that could mean that many of them
simply had mention of his name and were not neccessarily posts that warned
people about how incompetent he is. They could have simply been warnings of
his Muchausen disease and why people should not take him too seriously.
Either way it simply more evidence that he counts about as well as designs
amps. :-)

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...
" said:


But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.


Mr. Jute never said that SET amps are the only way to go, he himself
prefers a PP EL34 in triode amplifier, if I'm correctly informed.


Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... " and then state "But I am writing for myself
and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.


If one adds the line "In my opinion", or "just speaking for myself" ,
one is almost certain to be attacked for saying that by Arny Krueger.


Oh well, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Actually, that's the best way to keep Arny from bothering with you at all.
It's when people say things like SET's are great sounding amps. Or CD
players have gigantic differences in sound quality, that will get his
attention.

I think that you know as well as anybody, that Stewart, while not exactly
shy about expressing his opinions, (as if that were strange around here) is
in fact a well qualified EE.

Mr. McCoy is probably as medicore writer, but has been taken apart by other
qualified people on every group he posts on, simply because he, like Brett
Ludwig, makes sweeping statements that are frequently wrong, and needs
another chair just for his ego.

The diffference is that Ludwig actually seems to do stuff and McCoy just
says he does.

Let the fools in this world argue and bitch each other to death, I'll
continue to listen to my music on various amps, both tube and MOSFET.
And, even better, I'll continue to build them myself.


At least we're reasonably sure that you can. With Mr. McCoy, not so much.

Bug Eater vs. humanity
 

Mickey McMickey said:

It's when people say things like SET's are great sounding amps.
Or CD players have gigantic differences in sound quality, that
will get [the Krooborg's] attention.

The sad thing, Mickey, is that you're entirely serious. You really and truly
believe that for somebody to like the sound of certain amps (the ones you
hate), or to prefer one CD player over another, is "wrong".

If Noah were loading up his ark today, he'd look at you and Arnii and say,
"No, boys, you can stay here and drown. We don't need any walking, talking
turds."

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
From: Patrick Turner
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:31 am
Email: Patrick Turner

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

I call this individual 'nob' because he appears to be as stupid as a
doorknob.

He is a well-known preference basher and sycophant on r.a.o. My
prediction is that his 'contribution' to tubecraft will be to advise
any and all who will listen to him to conduct double-blind tests on
their audio components. He has, by all accounts, never performed one
himself, but that will not stop him from proselytizing.

If your preferences do not match his, you probably have hearing issues.

Best to ignore nob, lest his idiocy spill over to your group.

Thanks, Shhhh! Unfortunately Mickey McMickey, or Nob as you call him,
is depressingly familiar to us. I call him Nyobe, Queen of Ignorance
and Disease, and Patrick refers to him a MeKelpie, a Kelpie being a
particularly fine breed of New Zealand sheep dog, to account for
McKelvy's supine sycophancy. (It's an insult to Kelpies, which are
intelligent dogs, to compare Nob to them.)

It should not surprise anyone that Mike KcKelvy is an arselicker for
Krueger and Pinkerton. For a living he sells "consumer units, hi-fi" to
unsuspecting passers-by in a mall. If everyone wanted real hi-fi,
MeKelpie would be out of a job.

Doesn't excuse his stupidity, I know, but I just thought I'd get the
extenuating circumstances on the record, make myself look like a
tolerant, Christian, liberal sorta guy, even about a subhuman throwback
like Nob.

Andre Jute

PS I noticed Patrick writing to MeKelpie, but what has MeKelpie done to
deserve that honor? Basically the guy's a waste of skin and oxygen; he
doesn't deserve to have Patrick helping him with whatever his problem
is. I'm surprised Patrick even reads MeKelpie's sub-moronic witterings.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OFMALICE
 

In article , "Andre
Jute" wrote:
4607 posts from Pinkerton, 938 posts from Jute over the same period.

Unfair. This doesn't count the 4000+ McCoy/Jute sockpuppets that posted
during this same period. McCoy/Jute is an evil, nasty, nasty man.

And I was presenting a major project over this period, while Pinkerton
was merely hounding the project, me and a whole tube newsgroup, simply
to satisfy his own malice.

"Presenting a Major Project" is McCoy/Jute-speak for dealing with his
chronic constipation.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
ups.com...

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
From: Patrick Turner
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:31 am
Email: Patrick Turner

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

I call this individual 'nob' because he appears to be as stupid as a
doorknob.

He is a well-known preference basher and sycophant on r.a.o. My
prediction is that his 'contribution' to tubecraft will be to advise
any and all who will listen to him to conduct double-blind tests on
their audio components. He has, by all accounts, never performed one
himself, but that will not stop him from proselytizing.

If your preferences do not match his, you probably have hearing issues.

Best to ignore nob, lest his idiocy spill over to your group.

Thanks, Shhhh! Unfortunately Mickey McMickey, or Nob as you call him,
is depressingly familiar to us. I call him Nyobe, Queen of Ignorance
and Disease, and Patrick refers to him a MeKelpie, a Kelpie being a
particularly fine breed of New Zealand sheep dog, to account for
McKelvy's supine sycophancy. (It's an insult to Kelpies, which are
intelligent dogs, to compare Nob to them.)

It should not surprise anyone that Mike KcKelvy is an arselicker for
Krueger and Pinkerton. For a living he sells "consumer units, hi-fi" to
unsuspecting passers-by in a mall. If everyone wanted real hi-fi,
MeKelpie would be out of a job.

Doesn't excuse his stupidity, I know, but I just thought I'd get the
extenuating circumstances on the record, make myself look like a
tolerant, Christian, liberal sorta guy, even about a subhuman throwback
like Nob.

Andre Jute

PS I noticed Patrick writing to MeKelpie, but what has MeKelpie done to
deserve that honor? Basically the guy's a waste of skin and oxygen; he
doesn't deserve to have Patrick helping him with whatever his problem
is. I'm surprised Patrick even reads MeKelpie's sub-moronic witterings.

You are nothing if not consistent. In this case consistently wrong, but
that's what we expect from you.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

From:
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 10:17 pm
Email:

You are nothing if not consistent. In this case consistently wrong, but
that's what we expect from you.

Who's the 'we'?

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
ups.com...
From: Patrick Turner
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:31 am
Email: Patrick Turner

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

None, same as McCoy.

I call this individual 'nob' because he appears to be as stupid as a
doorknob.

Why then I'm now smart enough to be a democrat.

He is a well-known preference basher and sycophant on r.a.o.

Untrue. I don't care about your prefernce. Apparently neither do you.

My
prediction is that his 'contribution' to tubecraft will be to advise
any and all who will listen to him to conduct double-blind tests on
their audio components. He has, by all accounts, never performed one
himself, but that will not stop him from proselytizing.

There are no contributiosns to be made to tube craft, it's obsolete
technology

If your preferences do not match his, you probably have hearing issues.

Best to ignore nob, lest his idiocy spill over to your group.

The only spilling is from McCoy by posting his crap here instead of keeping
it on RAT.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OFMALICE
 

In article , "Robert Morein"
wrote:

In article , "Andre
Jute" wrote:
4607 posts from Pinkerton, 938 posts from Jute over the same period.

Unfair. This doesn't count the 4000+ McCoy/Jute sockpuppets that posted
during this same period. McCoy/Jute is an evil, nasty, nasty man.

And I was presenting a major project over this period, while Pinkerton
was merely hounding the project, me and a whole tube newsgroup, simply
to satisfy his own malice.

"Presenting a Major Project" is McCoy/Jute-speak for dealing with his
chronic constipation.
Forgery. But still damn funny.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote:


How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to?


I could, but then I'd have to kill you.
Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET
amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion?


Depends on what you mean by normal levens and massive distortion. Cant
tell you exactly what distortion mine produces at the moment (watch this
space)

I do know that at 10w output the distortion (nulled with a small notch
filter so far from perfect) does seem to be mainly 2nd harmonic


http://www.lurcher.org/nick/images/secondh.JPG

--
Nick

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 

On 3 Mar 2006 13:11:28 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:


Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 2 Mar 2006 15:50:23 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Psychotic rants ignored out of pity, but one point noted: Every one of
my posts on this subject was matched by a significantly longer one
from Jute, and he is the one who keeps creating pure attack threads,
as he did right from my very first post on KISS. Interested readers
can draw the obvious conclusions regarding psychotic fixations.

4607 posts from Pinkerton, 938 posts from Jute over the same period.
And I was presenting a major project over this period, while Pinkerton
was merely hounding the project, me and a whole tube newsgroup, simply
to satisfy his own malice. Count for yourself by scrolling to the
bottom of these pages:
Jute's posts, 938:
http://groups.google.ie/groups/profi...V7mdW13Q&hl=en
Pinkerton's posts 4607:
http://groups.google.ie/groups/profi...26WkCssg&hl=en

Given that I know how much time I spend at my keyboard (about an hour
a day *total*), I also doubt the 4607 figure. God knows how much time
he's going to devote to this current series of psychotic attacks.

As ever, Jute's incompetence and psychosis is revealed. Click on the
above links, use advanced search on author, restrict groups to
rec.audio.tubes and dates from 1 October 2004 to current date, and you
get the following results:

Andre Jute - 662

Stewart Pinkerton - 602

So not only is Jute *grossly* lying about the number of posts I made,
he fails to note that he himself made significantly more - also his
tend to be *much* more verbose than mine - and that's without counting
his faithful band of sockpuppets.

The statistics of malice, indeed............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

Shhhh! said to the Bug Eater:

You are nothing if not consistent. In this case consistently wrong, but
that's what we expect from you.

Who's the 'we'?

Mickey has Sillybot's full and groveling approval.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

Andre Jute wrote:

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
From: Patrick Turner
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:31 am
Email: Patrick Turner

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

I call this individual 'nob' because he appears to be as stupid as a
doorknob.

He is a well-known preference basher and sycophant on r.a.o. My
prediction is that his 'contribution' to tubecraft will be to advise
any and all who will listen to him to conduct double-blind tests on
their audio components. He has, by all accounts, never performed one
himself, but that will not stop him from proselytizing.

If your preferences do not match his, you probably have hearing issues.

Best to ignore nob, lest his idiocy spill over to your group.

Thanks, Shhhh! Unfortunately Mickey McMickey, or Nob as you call him,
is depressingly familiar to us. I call him Nyobe, Queen of Ignorance
and Disease, and Patrick refers to him a MeKelpie, a Kelpie being a
particularly fine breed of New Zealand sheep dog, to account for
McKelvy's supine sycophancy. (It's an insult to Kelpies, which are
intelligent dogs, to compare Nob to them.)

It should not surprise anyone that Mike KcKelvy is an arselicker for
Krueger and Pinkerton. For a living he sells "consumer units, hi-fi" to
unsuspecting passers-by in a mall. If everyone wanted real hi-fi,
MeKelpie would be out of a job.

Doesn't excuse his stupidity, I know, but I just thought I'd get the
extenuating circumstances on the record, make myself look like a
tolerant, Christian, liberal sorta guy, even about a subhuman throwback
like Nob.

Andre Jute

PS I noticed Patrick writing to MeKelpie, but what has MeKelpie done to
deserve that honor? Basically the guy's a waste of skin and oxygen; he
doesn't deserve to have Patrick helping him with whatever his problem
is. I'm surprised Patrick even reads MeKelpie's sub-moronic witterings.

I don't read or reply to everything on the news group.
I try to hold as few grudges against ppl as possible, and just say what i
think.
I would say its a while since I wrote of the MeKelpie dog issue, it was
humerous at the time...
Maybe i just don't have too many ppl telling me I am a jerk too often so i
don't have any
real personal angst with those others here who may think some i talk to are
intellectually
defective or objectionable.

I am just too busy to take much interest in the discussions at present....

Its really a pity that 95% of the posts are about personal issues about which I
care little.

I am presently re-typing my website for those really interested in making tube
operated gear.

I don't really give a damn if the usernet group ppl have hung up their
soldering irons.

Many others who wouldn't dare hang out here at r.a.t might find the new site of
interest
when I complete re-furbishment within a few weeks.
I am up to nearly 8Mb so far.

Why is there so much bickering here? why can't you guys stay busy with being
creative?
methinks the devil makes work for idle minds and hands.

I foresee that discussions about tubecraft at r.a.t will decline further.
Fortunately, ppl elsewhere are building gear, or wanting to, and I am always
available to help them if they are willing to work at helping themselves by
reading
informative books, websites, and raising a sweat in their workshops, and if
they would only ever rarely
get involved in the personal ****e fights that continue on and on.

Right now I really don't need to be in this news group.

The archives may be searched for answers to 1,001 questions raised over the
last 5 years.

Whatever i may say might be just repetition.

Patrick Turner.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:29:52 GMT, wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote:

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to?

I could, but then I'd have to kill you.
Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET
amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion?

OK, how about even one SET that you have sampled? It would be nice to
know the associated gear (especially speakers) and what kind of music
you listened to. Quoting from any on-the-spot notes that you made
would be nice, but you can use your memory if you'd like. It would be
nice to hear what specifically bothered you about the sound.

BTW, are you telling me that if I listened to a single SS amp, like,
say a Phase Linear amp, I'd be able to condemn the whole species?
Because that's what you seem to be saying, that one can extrapolate
from a single example.

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 

Arguing like this over the internet is like participating in the Special
Olympics. After you've given it your best shot, you're still retarded!

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:57:23 -0500, Jon Yaeger
wrote:

Arguing like this over the internet is like participating in the Special
Olympics. After you've given it your best shot, you're still retarded!

Interesting that you should choose that particular analogy. Special
Olympics shooters and archers would do pretty well in the 'normal'
Olympics. BTW, participation in those Games does not imply brain
damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account?

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 

Stewèd Pukerton said:

participation in [the Special Olympics] does not imply brain
damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account?

For anybody who's unfamiliar with Stewie's routines, this is a coded
message that means he's just cracked open a bottle of whiskeeey.

Bug Eater vs. humanity
 

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...



Mickey McMickey said:

It's when people say things like SET's are great sounding amps.
Or CD players have gigantic differences in sound quality, that
will get [the Krooborg's] attention.

The sad thing, Mickey, is that you're entirely serious. You really and
truly
believe that for somebody to like the sound of certain amps (the ones you
hate), or to prefer one CD player over another, is "wrong".

Wrong is a moral concept, there is nothing "wrong" with preferring the sound
of distortion, it just doesn't make good sense for them to claim it's more
"musical."


If Noah were loading up his ark today, he'd look at you and Arnii and say,
"No, boys, you can stay here and drown. We don't need any walking, talking
turds."


And then he'd flush your cloven footed ****ty self.

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
 

said:

If one adds the line "In my opinion", or "just speaking for myself" ,
one is almost certain to be attacked for saying that by Arny Krueger.

Oh well, damned if you do, damned if you don't.


Actually, that's the best way to keep Arny from bothering with you at all.
It's when people say things like SET's are great sounding amps. Or CD
players have gigantic differences in sound quality, that will get his
attention.


See:
http://groups.google.nl/group/rec.au...5cb7e03aa27c90

Quote:
__________________________________________________ ____________

Me:

However, those are just my observations.


Arny:

Which you'll repeat early and often in the hope that they will
convince...
__________________________________________________ ____________

End Quote



I think that you know as well as anybody, that Stewart, while not exactly
shy about expressing his opinions, (as if that were strange around here) is
in fact a well qualified EE.



Quote:
__________________________________________________ ____________

Me:

Pinkerton gets not nearly as much attacked as Arny, and
to be honest, I think that Pinkerton is a lot better
versed in electronics on a component level.


Arny:

I don't think you're qualified to judge either of us, Sander.


Me:

That, and he has a kind of humour that I can appreciate.


Arny:

You obviously tolerate racist comments well.
__________________________________________________ ____________

End Quote



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