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Old March 16th 06, 07:18 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Nick Gorham
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Bret Ludwig wrote:


The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy than the moiving
magnets.


Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance of a MC, I am
not sure its less "energy".

The stylus on a MC does I suspect have less mass to move.

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Old March 16th 06, 07:34 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
AZ Nomad
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:18:11 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:


Bret Ludwig wrote:



The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy than the moiving
magnets.


Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance of a MC, I am
not sure its less "energy".


energy too, but it's not as if your driving your speakers directly.
Fortunately we have an invention called the amplifier.

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Old March 16th 06, 08:04 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Nick Gorham
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AZ Nomad wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:18:11 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:



Bret Ludwig wrote:



The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy than the moiving
magnets.



Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance of a MC, I am
not sure its less "energy".



energy too, but it's not as if your driving your speakers directly.
Fortunately we have an invention called the amplifier.


Yep, you are right, just compaired a Goldring MM and Ortofon MC, MM
about 3.5 times the energy out compaired to the MC.

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Old March 16th 06, 08:33 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
AZ Nomad
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:04:18 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:


AZ Nomad wrote:


On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:18:11 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:



Bret Ludwig wrote:



The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy than the moiving
magnets.



Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance of a MC, I am
not sure its less "energy".



energy too, but it's not as if your driving your speakers directly.
Fortunately we have an invention called the amplifier.


Yep, you are right, just compaired a Goldring MM and Ortofon MC, MM
about 3.5 times the energy out compaired to the MC.


I'm curious: what unit is that 'energy' measurement? Is it a power
measurement ie: microwatts, etc? I usually think of energy in joules,
power in jules/s or watts. I've never heard of anybody giving a ****
about a cartridges 'energy' measurement; just the voltage output
and recomended load capacitance.
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Old March 16th 06, 10:15 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Nick Gorham
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AZ Nomad wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:04:18 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:



AZ Nomad wrote:



On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:18:11 +0000, Nick Gorham wrote:




Bret Ludwig wrote:


The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy than the moiving
magnets.



Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance of a MC, I am
not sure its less "energy".


energy too, but it's not as if your driving your speakers directly.
Fortunately we have an invention called the amplifier.



Yep, you are right, just compaired a Goldring MM and Ortofon MC, MM
about 3.5 times the energy out compaired to the MC.



I'm curious: what unit is that 'energy' measurement? Is it a power
measurement ie: microwatts, etc? I usually think of energy in joules,
power in jules/s or watts. I've never heard of anybody giving a ****
about a cartridges 'energy' measurement; just the voltage output
and recomended load capacitance.


Well, partly I was in pedantic mode with the original comment, but if
(as I do) you use a transformer to step up the voltage of the cartridge,
then it does have some bearing. The load impedance also is important not
just the capacitance. Most MC carts have such low generator resistance
that the capacitance makes little or no difference.

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Old March 16th 06, 07:38 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Fleetie
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The stylus on a MC does I suspect have less mass to move.

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I always kind of assumed that was the reason. But I don't know
enough about such things to be sure.

Why not ask Ortofon or one of the still-extant cartrige manufacturers?


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Old March 17th 06, 11:11 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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"Fleetie" wrote in message

The stylus on a MC does I suspect have less mass to move.

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Nick


I always kind of assumed that was the reason. But I
don't know enough about such things to be sure.

Why not ask Ortofon or one of the still-extant cartrige
manufacturers?


AFAIK Ortofon primarily sells MM cartridges.

Compare

http://www.ortofon.com/html/body_mag...nical_data.asp

to

http://www.ortofon.com/html/body_mov...nical_data.asp


Even Ortofon's own technical data favors their MM cartridges


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Old March 17th 06, 11:08 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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"Nick Gorham" wrote in message

Bret Ludwig wrote:


The moving coils are lighter but put out less energy
than the moiving magnets.


Voltage, maybe, but if you look at the source resistance
of a MC, I am not sure its less "energy".

The stylus on a MC does I suspect have less mass to move.


Nope.


 




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