"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've never been a fan of the old Tannoy units despite once having owned a
pair of Autographs. And those also put me off horn loading - for Keith G.
;-)


By Autograph do you mean GRF (Guy Fountain) ?
These are the most popular and most sought after of all the old Tannoy
ranges, and go for incredible sums of money.

I wish I had a dozen pairs:-)

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've never been a fan of the old Tannoy units despite once having owned a
pair of Autographs. And those also put me off horn loading - for Keith G.
;-)


By Autograph do you mean GRF (Guy Fountain) ?
These are the most popular and most sought after of all the old Tannoy
ranges, and go for incredible sums of money.

I wish I had a dozen pairs:-)


Why? According to Plowie, they're obviously no good....

;-)

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Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've never been a fan of the old Tannoy units despite once having
owned a pair of Autographs. And those also put me off horn loading -
for Keith G. ;-)


By Autograph do you mean GRF (Guy Fountain) ?

There were two models. The Autograph was fully horn loaded and about 5-6
foot tall. The GRF horn loaded for bass only IIRC. And about 4 ft tall.
Both had to be in the corners of a room as the walls were the extension of
the horn. Which might be fine if you designed the room round them but not
otherwise.

These are the most popular and most sought after of all the old Tannoy
ranges, and go for incredible sums of money.

Yes. Nowt as strange as folk. ;-)

I wish I had a dozen pairs:-)

Well yes. ;-)

Iain

One of my favourite speakers of all time for just quiet listening was the
Goodmans Maxim. Nearfield with a good class A amp they were just magic.
Even with a Mullard 3/3 ;-)

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*It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Serge Auckland wrote:
The Lockwood Major 12" was the 'speaker in the first studios I worked
in. The sounded wonderful, driven by Quad IIs.

They needed those handles, even on castors they were hard to shift.

The only place I've heard them was in the original TMS (television music
studio) in Lime Grove which was previously Studio H which became the
experimental colour studio in the '60s. But those were the 15" versions.

My favourites of that time were the BBC LS3/1 which were a
transportable/OB version of the LS5/1. 15" bass unit and concentrically
mounted pair of HF1300. Superb stereo image and not so coloured as pretty
well every other monitor of the day due to a smaller cabinet than was
usual.

I've never been a fan of the old Tannoy units despite once having owned a
pair of Autographs. And those also put me off horn loading - for Keith G.
;-)


OK, I'm here, I see ya! I know what you mean about the 'horn sound' - I
fully understand that a lot of people wouldn't/won't like it.

There are moments (especially at switch-on) when I can think the Firewood
Horns sound honky myself (especially with a certain female R3 presenter
who sounds like she is in a phone booth) but it quickly passes. The thing
with these FHs isn't whether or not they sound *better*, it's just that
ordinary speakers sound so crap by comparison afterwards - thick and muddy
with a definite loss of detail and imaging. I have revisited this and
checked it over and over again. I still have Ruark Paladins and a pair of
'perfectly acceptable' JM-Labs on the go here (HT) to compare, as well as
a number of pairs of shrapnel in the garage. (The B&Q TLs went Oop North a
number of weeks ago.)

Over the last few years I have waded through a lot of different speakers
(other Ruarks, Tannoy, B&W, KEF, Wharfedale, Quad plus others I can't
remember now - even Eltax, springs to mind) and *nothing* satisfied me
until I had heard the FHs!! I don't rule out some of the *seriously*
expensive multiway speakers sounding good, but who TF can even go there? A
pair of Klipsch Heresies a young friend brought round once were the
closest - I could live with them, but even my mate Pat's recently-acquired
Cheviots sounded thick and heavy-handed to me!!??

I don't know what to say - if I really didn't like them, I wouldn't use
them. (I could find a home for those I've built so far by close of
business tonight.) The Needles are on my computer setup (with valves) and
give a spookily good sound - putting the voices right into the monitor in
the first pic, not so good in the temporary 'double' setup in the second
pic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...er%20Setup.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...er%20Setup.jpg

(Always people are amazed at the bass from speakers that measure 2.5"
across the drivers!)

The Pinkies (Buschhorns) are so easy to listen to, it's easy to forget
them and they really do disappear! The much bigger Jerichos are 'work in
progress' and are going to have to have correction networks fitted to kill
the 'crunchiness' that Serge picked up on, but even they sound superb to
my ears after a few seconds (not even minutes) acclimatisation....??

You're a bit dab at the woodworking - why don't you grab a pair of dinky
little Visaton FRS-8s (8 ohms) at about 7 or 8 quid a side and some
'acoustic fluff' from Impact Audio...

http://www.impactaudio.co.uk/

(Excellent, fuss-free and quick!)

..and bash out a pair of Needles for yourself? They are by far the most
impressive for what goes into them! (Dims &c can be found on my webpage
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/needles/needles.htm - ignore the Fostex
bits, the Visatons sound better!!)

It would cost *nothing* and take you less than a couple of evenings - I
think you would be pleasantly surprised! (No need to paint or even glue
them to start with!) They'd come in handy somewhere or I'm sure someone
here would take them off you if you didn't want to keep them - I sent a
pair to a friend in Brussells and he hasn't used his AE 3-way
floorstanders since!! (Take pix if you do decide to have a go! ;-)



Ain't Plowie a funny little fing? - I ignore his posts and he starts calling
me a ******, I bust my arse to post him a big fat, juicy reply (with links
and all) and he ignores *it*....!!

:-)

Anybody know where it goes from here?

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Keith G wrote:
Ain't Plowie a funny little fing? - I ignore his posts and he starts
calling me a ******, I bust my arse to post him a big fat, juicy reply
(with links and all) and he ignores *it*....!!

Difficult to comment on your posts, Keith, since they don't invite
discussion. You just seem to want reassurance of your views from others.

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*Gargling is a good way to see if your throat leaks.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
Ain't Plowie a funny little fing? - I ignore his posts and he starts
calling me a ******, I bust my arse to post him a big fat, juicy reply
(with links and all) and he ignores *it*....!!

Difficult to comment on your posts, Keith, since they don't invite
discussion.


WTF are you rabbiting about? I answered your remarks in a full and
considerate manner and then *invited* you to have a go at a pair of Needles
knowing you are a bit of a carpenter and that your 'openmindedness' would
probably make you a little curious. You could have said a) wot a good idea
or b) shove 'em up yer chuff, could you not?

Cut the crap Plowie, we *both* know you're playing silly little games - you
dropped my name in the previous post for the express purpose, didn't you?
(Want me to prove it by *ignoring* you again? ;-)

I'm easy....


You just seem to want reassurance of your views from others.


Sure...

Which views in particular?

SETs are the best amps of all....??

I prefer Firewood Horns to multiway speakers....??

CDs stink compared with LPs....??

MP3s at 256 are indistingushable from CDs...??

&c....


How much reassurance do you think I'll get? :-)

Will it take long to come....??? :-))


Plowie, let me give you a life-enhancing tip - stop playing the crafty
little ****, trying to get/imply support for you own views with all this
*we* **** all the time (it's too transparent) and just try straight-dealing
for a change. Speak nicey nice to me and I'll do the same and we can be
friends, keep this crap up and we won't - you choose...


Like I say, I'm easy....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Difficult to comment on your posts, Keith, since they don't invite
discussion.


WTF are you rabbiting about? I answered your remarks in a full and
considerate manner and then *invited* you to have a go at a pair of
Needles knowing you are a bit of a carpenter and that your
'openmindedness' would probably make you a little curious. You could
have said a) wot a good idea or b) shove 'em up yer chuff, could you
not?

Cut the crap Plowie, we *both* know you're playing silly little games - you
dropped my name in the previous post for the express purpose, didn't you?
(Want me to prove it by *ignoring* you again? ;-)

I'm easy....


You just seem to want reassurance of your views from others.


Sure...

Which views in particular?

SETs are the best amps of all....??

I prefer Firewood Horns to multiway speakers....??

CDs stink compared with LPs....??

MP3s at 256 are indistingushable from CDs...??

&c....


How much reassurance do you think I'll get? :-)

Will it take long to come....??? :-))


Plowie, let me give you a life-enhancing tip - stop playing the crafty
little ****, trying to get/imply support for you own views with all this
*we* **** all the time (it's too transparent) and just try
straight-dealing for a change. Speak nicey nice to me and I'll do the
same and we can be friends, keep this crap up and we won't - you
choose...


Like I say, I'm easy....

Point made, then.

--
*That's it! I‘m calling grandma!

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Difficult to comment on your posts, Keith, since they don't invite
discussion.


WTF are you rabbiting about? I answered your remarks in a full and
considerate manner and then *invited* you to have a go at a pair of
Needles knowing you are a bit of a carpenter and that your
'openmindedness' would probably make you a little curious. You could
have said a) wot a good idea or b) shove 'em up yer chuff, could you
not?

Cut the crap Plowie, we *both* know you're playing silly little games -
you
dropped my name in the previous post for the express purpose, didn't you?
(Want me to prove it by *ignoring* you again? ;-)

I'm easy....


You just seem to want reassurance of your views from others.


Sure...

Which views in particular?

SETs are the best amps of all....??

I prefer Firewood Horns to multiway speakers....??

CDs stink compared with LPs....??

MP3s at 256 are indistingushable from CDs...??

&c....


How much reassurance do you think I'll get? :-)

Will it take long to come....??? :-))


Plowie, let me give you a life-enhancing tip - stop playing the crafty
little ****, trying to get/imply support for you own views with all this
*we* **** all the time (it's too transparent) and just try
straight-dealing for a change. Speak nicey nice to me and I'll do the
same and we can be friends, keep this crap up and we won't - you
choose...


Like I say, I'm easy....

Point made, then.



No, I need a clue - is that 'point made' and I ignore you or *point made*
and I make the arrangements for us to travel to Florence in your Armstrong
Siddeley Sapphire in the late spring, before the rush and take in the
Uffizi?

(I really *do* need to do that before much longer...)

:-)