"Ruud Broens" wrote in message
...
: As there have been some 3 dozen postings,
: with an added CQ Arny Don Stewart in the header
: in a RAT thread on hybrid design

: we may conclude:
:
: 1
: Jenn is right, Andre! Nobody reads the headers
: (they're just your organizational placeholders)
:
: 2
: The SS team does not have any ideas or up-to-date
: data on a subject clearly in their ballpark , 2
:
: 3
: The SS team is not interested in discussing topics,
: at all, just pickin' the occasional nit will do just fine
:
:
: native RATs vs 'invited' ~RATs~
:
: 36 0
:
: ball's in your court
: Rudy
: :-)

ok, some crossposting,
may get the usual ss percentages
up a bit
:-))
R.

"Ruud Broens" wrote in message
...
:
: "Ruud Broens" wrote in message
: ...
: : As there have been some 3 dozen postings,
: : with an added CQ Arny Don Stewart in the header
: : in a RAT thread on hybrid design
:
: : we may conclude:
: :
: : 1
: : Jenn is right, Andre! Nobody reads the headers
: : (they're just your organizational placeholders)
: :
: : 2
: : The SS team does not have any ideas or up-to-date
: : data on a subject clearly in their ballpark , 2
: :
: : 3
: : The SS team is not interested in discussing topics,
: : at all, just pickin' the occasional nit will do just fine
: :
: :
: : native RATs vs 'invited' ~RATs~
: :
: : 36 0
: :
: : ball's in your court
: : Rudy
: : :-)
4
recently, the Pinkerton Parliament ruled:
"My 'differences' with tubies are not that fundamental in the sense
: that I recognise tube amps as very attractive to the hobbyist, but I
: will point out the technical shortcomings, and I will blow away the
: smoke abd nmirrors, and general bull**** surrounding them. As for
: 'tubecraft', I'm sorry, but this technology was fully mature forty
: years ago, pretty much when valves became obsolete in audio
: amplifiers. If you want to play with different circuit configurations
: to see what they do, that's fine as a hobby, but optimised tube
: circuits have been done to death for *decades*."

as PP plays the sound of silence :

thanks for admitting there were no technical shortcomings

:-)

"Ruud Broens" wrote

???

From out of *nowhere* this snippet......

recently, the Pinkerton Parliament ruled:
"My 'differences' with tubies are not that fundamental in the sense
: that I recognise tube amps as very attractive to the hobbyist, but I
: will point out the technical shortcomings, and I will blow away the
: smoke abd nmirrors, and general bull**** surrounding them. As for
: 'tubecraft', I'm sorry, but this technology was fully mature forty
: years ago, pretty much when valves became obsolete in audio
: amplifiers. If you want to play with different circuit configurations
: to see what they do, that's fine as a hobby, but optimised tube
: circuits have been done to death for *decades*."



WTF is all this rubbish? Pinky still setting himself up as Valvefinder
General outside of ukra? :-)

(Crossposting removed - like, who gives a ****?)

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:33:08 +0100, "Ruud Broens"
wrote:


"Ruud Broens" wrote in message
. ..
:
: "Ruud Broens" wrote in message
: ...
: : As there have been some 3 dozen postings,
: : with an added CQ Arny Don Stewart in the header
: : in a RAT thread on hybrid design
:
: : we may conclude:
: :
: : 1
: : Jenn is right, Andre! Nobody reads the headers
: : (they're just your organizational placeholders)
: :
: : 2
: : The SS team does not have any ideas or up-to-date
: : data on a subject clearly in their ballpark , 2
: :
: : 3
: : The SS team is not interested in discussing topics,
: : at all, just pickin' the occasional nit will do just fine
: :
: :
: : native RATs vs 'invited' ~RATs~
: :
: : 36 0
: :
: : ball's in your court
: : Rudy
: : :-)
4
recently, the Pinkerton Parliament ruled:
"My 'differences' with tubies are not that fundamental in the sense
: that I recognise tube amps as very attractive to the hobbyist, but I
: will point out the technical shortcomings, and I will blow away the
: smoke abd nmirrors, and general bull**** surrounding them. As for
: 'tubecraft', I'm sorry, but this technology was fully mature forty
: years ago, pretty much when valves became obsolete in audio
: amplifiers. If you want to play with different circuit configurations
: to see what they do, that's fine as a hobby, but optimised tube
: circuits have been done to death for *decades*."

as PP plays the sound of silence :

thanks for admitting there were no technical shortcomings

None that haven't been previously discussed to death, certainly. After
all, were you expecting some *new* shortcomings to appear in a
technology that peaked half a century ago?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:33:08 +0100, "Ruud Broens"
: wrote:
:
:
: "Ruud Broens" wrote in message
: . ..
: 4
: recently, the Pinkerton Parliament ruled:
: "My 'differences' with tubies are not that fundamental in the sense
: : that I recognise tube amps as very attractive to the hobbyist, but I
: : will point out the technical shortcomings, and I will blow away the
: : smoke abd nmirrors, and general bull**** surrounding them. As for
: : 'tubecraft', I'm sorry, but this technology was fully mature forty
: : years ago, pretty much when valves became obsolete in audio
: : amplifiers. If you want to play with different circuit configurations
: : to see what they do, that's fine as a hobby, but optimised tube
: : circuits have been done to death for *decades*."
:
: as PP plays the sound of silence :
:
: thanks for admitting there were no technical shortcomings
:
: None that haven't been previously discussed to death, certainly. After
: all, were you expecting some *new* shortcomings to appear in a
: technology that peaked half a century ago?
: --
:
: Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

it is always more interesting to have some specifics to talk about,
Stewart . Let's take this one, for instance:

an OPA2604, with distortion cancelling cicruitry build in,
needs a *thousand* times more feedback to be even a
half decent match for a handfull of hybrid tube-SS parts.

comments ?
Rudy

"Ruud Broens" wrote in message


an OPA2604, with distortion cancelling cicruitry build in,
needs a *thousand* times more feedback to be even a
half decent match for a handfull of hybrid tube-SS parts.

So what?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
: "Ruud Broens" wrote in message
:
:
: an OPA2604, with distortion cancelling cicruitry build in,
: needs a *thousand* times more feedback to be even a
: half decent match for a handfull of hybrid tube-SS parts.
:
: So what?
:
that's a fine piece of jazz,
butta

thanks for admitting points fly right over your head,
lot'sZ
;-)
Rudy

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:56:06 +0100, "Ruud Broens"
wrote:

an OPA2604, with distortion cancelling cicruitry build in,
needs a *thousand* times more feedback to be even a
half decent match for a handfull of hybrid tube-SS parts.

Actually, given the amount of feedback for which that opamp was
designed to be used, i.e. using it correctly, it is not a 'half-decent
match', it utterly *obliterates* anything you can concoct with tubes.

Show me the hybrid circuit which can combine a gain of 30, a bandwidth
of 500kHz, and distortion of less than 0.01% across the audio band.

What's wrong with feedback? Just because the phase stability of tubes
is so poor that you *can't* use much feedback, doesn't make it a bad
thing per se. It's called progress, Rudy.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
: On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:56:06 +0100, "Ruud Broens"
: wrote:
:
: an OPA2604, with distortion cancelling cicruitry build in,
: needs a *thousand* times more feedback to be even a
: half decent match for a handfull of hybrid tube-SS parts.
:
: Actually, given the amount of feedback for which that opamp was
: designed to be used, i.e. using it correctly, it is not a 'half-decent
: match', it utterly *obliterates* anything you can concoct with tubes.
:
: Show me the hybrid circuit which can combine a gain of 30, a bandwidth
: of 500kHz, and distortion of less than 0.01% across the audio band.
:
: What's wrong with feedback? Just because the phase stability of tubes
: is so poor that you *can't* use much feedback, doesn't make it a bad
: thing per se. It's called progress, Rudy.
:
: --
:
: Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

been there, done that
yawn

Rudy