Given that technology has move on a bit since the record player (and the
CD player!) were developed, would it be possible to product a domestic
_analogue_ audio system which is better quality than those which
currently exist?

This imagined system, at the very least, must have:-

* flat response (none of this RIAA curve stuff)
* better dynamic range (at least 20 dB higher than vinyl)
* better S/N ratio
* less distotion i.e. no pitch variations, rumble, surface noise etc

and probably a few others than I've not thought of.

Nice to haves would be durability and convenience but let's not get our
hopes up.

Basically, you have carte blanche and this imagined system does not need
to be backwardly compatible with any analogue format.

How do you do it?


--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

Or why not 2" tape for the home?

Graeme


"RobH" wrote in message ...
Given that technology has move on a bit since the record player (and the
CD player!) were developed, would it be possible to product a domestic
_analogue_ audio system which is better quality than those which
currently exist?

This imagined system, at the very least, must have:-

* flat response (none of this RIAA curve stuff)
* better dynamic range (at least 20 dB higher than vinyl)
* better S/N ratio
* less distotion i.e. no pitch variations, rumble, surface noise etc

and probably a few others than I've not thought of.

Nice to haves would be durability and convenience but let's not get our
hopes up.

Basically, you have carte blanche and this imagined system does not need
to be backwardly compatible with any analogue format.

How do you do it?

"Graeme Nattress" wrote in message
om...
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

Or why not 2" tape for the home?

Graeme

As long as they improve the longevity of tape based media.
Recording pure analogue at a molecular level seems like a good idea but I
haven't a clue if its feasible...... hey I've got all of Beethoven's
Symphonies in this......pin-head..'give him another pill and tighten the
restraints just to be sure' ;-)

In article ,
Graeme Nattress wrote:
Or why not 2" tape for the home?

All tape width does is help with the sig noise ratio a bit. But full
track 2" would suffer from weave and HF cancellation. It's not by chance
that 1/2 track on 1/4" became the de facto standard regardless of the
number of tracks.

Tape is also decidedly non linear in its transfer characteristic. You
could use video technology and put the audio on an FM carrier using a high
tape to head speed to get round this, but this brings other problems.

--
*For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

--

"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)

Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..
--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..

Taking R3 as the standard which still has a high bitrate on DAB, I'd say
the difference if any is small, and not always in favour of one or the
other. DTV seems to have a small lead, and I think I'd choose this if I
had to choose. With the pop stations which all thrash levels, I've a
feeling you're listening to the difference in the peak limiters in the
systems when comparing FM and DTV. DAB agreed sounds terrible at the
current rates used on these.

--
*Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..

Taking R3 as the standard which still has a high bitrate on DAB, I'd say
the difference if any is small, and not always in favour of one or the
other. DTV seems to have a small lead, and I think I'd choose this if I
had to choose. With the pop stations which all thrash levels, I've a
feeling you're listening to the difference in the peak limiters in the
systems when comparing FM and DTV. DAB agreed sounds terrible at the
current rates used on these.

--
*Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:34:59 +0100, Chesney Christ
wrote:

A certain Graeme Nattress, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd suggest that analogue video LaserDisc technology be shrunk down to
the size of a CD, and have a digital control track, and an analogue
music track on a silver 5" disc.

But why ?

Because this group is dedicated to analogue technologies?

BTW, when people talk about how wonderful is a live 'analogue' FM
broadcast on Radio 3, the *real* joke is that this is transmitted from
the concert venue via a 13-bit digital link, and has been since the
late '60s! :-)

Yes odd that isn't it. Still lack of bits on the links one thing
bitrates another. FM's still better than DAB or DTV for that matter..
--
Tony Sayer