Dave Plowman wrote:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
If money is tight, auction off the B139s and use the cash to buy a
real subwoofer driver.

Oh, and if you are building a subwoofer, forget transmission lines.
They are basically a waste of good box volume.

More sacrilege from Arny.

Is that a synonym for 'trollage'?


But true. I've never come across a pro
transmission line speaker, and for good reasons.

For reasons of volume, as Arny states?


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"Wally" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

The simple fact is that by modern standards, B139s are pretty
mediocre subwoofer drivers. They were never much more than fairly
good plain old woofers.

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound quality.
I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one that I can't
criticize.

I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

*real* subwoofer drivers don't need kludges like "isobaric" cabinets
to outperform any reasonable requirements.

Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:

http://www.bbg-av.com/

Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:

http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

If money is tight, auction off the B139s and use the cash to buy a
real subwoofer driver.

If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

Oh, and if you are building a subwoofer, forget transmission lines.
They are basically a waste of good box volume.

Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...


I was referring to the new subwoofer.

"Wally" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

The simple fact is that by modern standards, B139s are pretty
mediocre subwoofer drivers. They were never much more than fairly
good plain old woofers.

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound quality.
I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one that I can't
criticize.

I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

*real* subwoofer drivers don't need kludges like "isobaric" cabinets
to outperform any reasonable requirements.

Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:

http://www.bbg-av.com/

Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:

http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

If money is tight, auction off the B139s and use the cash to buy a
real subwoofer driver.

If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

Oh, and if you are building a subwoofer, forget transmission lines.
They are basically a waste of good box volume.

Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...


I was referring to the new subwoofer.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound
quality. I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one
that I can't criticize.

A bit of both. I've had my Kefs for years (20+) and I like their overall
sound. The B139s are generally held in good regard, and sounded very good
when I heard them in the Linns, and that would seem to be an indication of
their potential. I'm not interested in sound quality to the extent of
striving for some abstract notion of perfection.


I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

I don't own Linns, but I do subscribe to the idea of staying within sensible
limits in the diminishing returns game.


Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/
Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:
http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

Thanks. I'll have a look.


If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to the B139s that are in the existing speakers. I'll
clarify: I have two pairs of B139s, one pair in the existing speakers, and a
spare pair. The plan is to experiment with a new bass enclosure without
impacting the existing boxes. That way, if it doesn't work out, I can go
back to the stuff I've used for 20-odd years without sacrifice. So, I take
the spare B139s and build an isobaric cab to try it out. If I like it, I
build a pair of small mid/top cabs and a second isobarik using the drivers
from the existing speakers.


Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to my transmission line fantasies.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound
quality. I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one
that I can't criticize.

A bit of both. I've had my Kefs for years (20+) and I like their overall
sound. The B139s are generally held in good regard, and sounded very good
when I heard them in the Linns, and that would seem to be an indication of
their potential. I'm not interested in sound quality to the extent of
striving for some abstract notion of perfection.


I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

I don't own Linns, but I do subscribe to the idea of staying within sensible
limits in the diminishing returns game.


Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/
Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:
http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

Thanks. I'll have a look.


If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to the B139s that are in the existing speakers. I'll
clarify: I have two pairs of B139s, one pair in the existing speakers, and a
spare pair. The plan is to experiment with a new bass enclosure without
impacting the existing boxes. That way, if it doesn't work out, I can go
back to the stuff I've used for 20-odd years without sacrifice. So, I take
the spare B139s and build an isobaric cab to try it out. If I like it, I
build a pair of small mid/top cabs and a second isobarik using the drivers
from the existing speakers.


Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to my transmission line fantasies.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

"Wally" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound
quality. I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one
that I can't criticize.

A bit of both. I've had my Kefs for years (20+) and I like their
overall sound. The B139s are generally held in good regard, and
sounded very good when I heard them in the Linns, and that would seem
to be an indication of their potential. I'm not interested in sound
quality to the extent of striving for some abstract notion of
perfection.


I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

I don't own Linns, but I do subscribe to the idea of staying within
sensible limits in the diminishing returns game.


Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/
Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:
http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

Thanks. I'll have a look.


If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to the B139s that are in the existing speakers. I'll
clarify: I have two pairs of B139s, one pair in the existing
speakers, and a spare pair.

To clarify, I was always talking only about the spares.

The plan is to experiment with a new bass
enclosure without impacting the existing boxes. That way, if it
doesn't work out, I can go back to the stuff I've used for 20-odd
years without sacrifice. So, I take the spare B139s and build an
isobaric cab to try it out. If I like it, I build a pair of small
mid/top cabs and a second isobarik using the drivers from the
existing speakers.

To clarify, I think that Isobarik is spinning one's wheels, as is trying to
make true subs out of B139s.

Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to my transmission line fantasies.

Enjoy!

"Wally" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

Where does it say that I have to adhere to modern standards?

That depends what's most important to you: sentimentality or sound
quality. I'm not being snide, it's a choice you get to make and one
that I can't criticize.

A bit of both. I've had my Kefs for years (20+) and I like their
overall sound. The B139s are generally held in good regard, and
sounded very good when I heard them in the Linns, and that would seem
to be an indication of their potential. I'm not interested in sound
quality to the extent of striving for some abstract notion of
perfection.


I 'eard
'em in the Linns and they sounded better than my room can do justice
to, so why should I want to go even better?

Ah, a rare audophile whose stereo sounds good enough.

I don't own Linns, but I do subscribe to the idea of staying within
sensible limits in the diminishing returns game.


Name a driver, and enclosure design/volume, that you recommend
instead.

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/
Here's the relevant part of the JL Audio web site:
http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/w7.html

Thanks. I'll have a look.


If I did that, there'd be big holes in my present speakers.

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to the B139s that are in the existing speakers. I'll
clarify: I have two pairs of B139s, one pair in the existing
speakers, and a spare pair.

To clarify, I was always talking only about the spares.

The plan is to experiment with a new bass
enclosure without impacting the existing boxes. That way, if it
doesn't work out, I can go back to the stuff I've used for 20-odd
years without sacrifice. So, I take the spare B139s and build an
isobaric cab to try it out. If I like it, I build a pair of small
mid/top cabs and a second isobarik using the drivers from the
existing speakers.

To clarify, I think that Isobarik is spinning one's wheels, as is trying to
make true subs out of B139s.

Looks like I'll have to scupper the Nautilus copies built out of
plywood and car body filler, then...

I was referring to the new subwoofer.

I was referring to my transmission line fantasies.

Enjoy!

Arny Krueger wrote:

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/

To clarify, I was always talking only about the spares.

I had a look. The smallest W7 driver costs 350 quid. Where can I flog a pair
B139s for that kind of money?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Arny Krueger wrote:

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/

To clarify, I was always talking only about the spares.

I had a look. The smallest W7 driver costs 350 quid. Where can I flog a pair
B139s for that kind of money?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

"Wally" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

These guys can tell you where to buy JL Audio products in the UK:
http://www.bbg-av.com/

To clarify, I was always talking only about the spares.

I had a look. The smallest W7 driver costs 350 quid.

Whao baby! I've heard about UK prices, but this!

Where can I flog a pair B139s for that kind of money?

What's happening on eBay with them these days?