Just breaking in my Project Debut 3 turntable. Nice sound but there is
a lot of turntable noise. Its been a while since I've used a turntable
in anger but I don't remember this much noise on my old Dual 505.

I've uploaded a small mp3 clip (about 10secs) here
http://lordy.org.uk/rising_to_the_top_-_keni_burke.mp3 (*)

The background noise is only present when the stylus hits the vinyl - so
I guess its not a ground issue? Does it sound excessive?

Cheers,
Lordy

(*) Captured to my PC via a cheap pre-amp from Maplin, saved me having to
lug my PC into the sitting room!
Currently reduced from £25 to £15 if anyone is interested!
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...amp&doy=28m 8
Cheaper than the RicherSounds Vivanco pre-amp.

"lordy"


The background noise is only present when the stylus hits the vinyl - so
I guess its not a ground issue? Does it sound excessive?



** There should be NO audible noise attributable to a hi-fi turntable
itself.

YOUR absolutely asinine 5 minute MP3 demonstrates nothing at all -
except the fact that vinyl is noisy.

**** the hell off - you BLOODY idiot.






........ Phil

On 2006-08-28, Phil Allison wrote:

"lordy"


The background noise is only present when the stylus hits the vinyl - so
I guess its not a ground issue? Does it sound excessive?



** There should be NO audible noise attributable to a hi-fi turntable
itself.

My first & last reply to you. I'm actually trying to find out if I have
faulty or badly set up equipment. I'm not trying to dis' vinyl or
anything like that.

YOUR absolutely asinine 5 minute MP3 demonstrates nothing at all -
except the fact that vinyl is noisy.

I can hear the same 50Hz component on all the records I've tried , but oddly enough only
when the needle drops right into the groove. When its skating just prior
to dropping in the groove no noise.

**** the hell off - you BLOODY idiot.

You are clearly a very special person.

Lordy






....... Phil

In article ,
lordy wrote:
**** the hell off - you BLOODY idiot.

You are clearly a very special person.

Ignore the prat, lordy. All the best people do. ;-)

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"lordy"
Phil Allison


The background noise is only present when the stylus hits the vinyl - so
I guess its not a ground issue? Does it sound excessive?


** There should be NO audible noise attributable to a hi-fi turntable
itself.


My first & last reply to you.


** But not mine to you - you asinine ****wit.


I'm actually trying to find out if I have
faulty or badly set up equipment. I'm not trying to dis' vinyl or
anything like that.


** What I wrote above suggested no such thing.



YOUR absolutely asinine 5 minute MP3 demonstrates nothing at all -
except the fact that vinyl is noisy.

I can hear the same 50Hz component on all the records I've tried , but
oddly enough only
when the needle drops right into the groove. When its skating just prior
to dropping in the groove no noise.


** You left out that CRUCIAL remark re 50Hz from your FIRST post and
instead used the completely ambiguous " background noise " phrase.

That stupid MP3 file you posted was chock full of **crackling noise **.


BTW - ****head.

There is no need to have a turntable itself rotating to hear vibration
induced hum from the motor - just slip off the belt and rest the stylus on
a stationery disk OR on a suitable object placed on the base .

If 50 / 100 Hz hum is plainly audible - the turntable is not hi-fi.




........ Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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snipped usual Philthy vile and assine abuse


....... Philthy the Troll



All this and it isn't even a full Moon yet! Now go take
your meds and have a nice lay down for a bit and let the
nice people here have their little chat to each other.

TT

"lordy" wrote in message
...
On 2006-08-28, Phil Allison
wrote:


You are clearly a very special person.

Lordy






....... Phil


Hi Lordy,

Just do a Google Groups search on the name in aus.hi-fi,
aus.electronics, etc and you will get the idea very quickly
what this fruitcake is all about. Please ignore him and do
not even respond to the abuse.

Cheers TT

lordy wrote:

Just breaking in my Project Debut 3 turntable. Nice sound but there is
a lot of turntable noise. Its been a while since I've used a turntable
in anger but I don't remember this much noise on my old Dual 505.

I've uploaded a small mp3 clip (about 10secs) here
http://lordy.org.uk/rising_to_the_top_-_keni_burke.mp3 (*)

The background noise is only present when the stylus hits the vinyl - so
I guess its not a ground issue? Does it sound excessive?

Cheers,
Lordy

(*) Captured to my PC via a cheap pre-amp from Maplin, saved me having to
lug my PC into the sitting room!
Currently reduced from £25 to £15 if anyone is interested!
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...amp&doy=28m 8
Cheaper than the RicherSounds Vivanco pre-amp.

You have 6.5Hz, 50Hz and 100Hz components. Check your earthing for a start
and try to keep vibrations away. Wooden floors are not good. When archiving
your LPs, a high-pass filter at 20Hz will be useful if you can't get rid of
the 6.5Hz resonance.

The Maplin pre-amp is not very good. I haven't done a proper comparison with
my decent pre-amp so it may be psychological, but it sounds 'grainy' to me.

--
Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

On 2006-08-28, Eiron wrote:
lordy wrote:

You have 6.5Hz, 50Hz and 100Hz components. Check your earthing for a start
and try to keep vibrations away.

Thanks.

.. I've re-recorded the clip and I've noticed something more interesting about
that noise. It only kicks in when the groove is found...

http://lordy.org.uk/noise.html



Wooden floors are not good. When archiving
your LPs, a high-pass filter at 20Hz will be useful if you can't get rid of
the 6.5Hz resonance.

Cheers,


The Maplin pre-amp is not very good. I haven't done a proper comparison with
my decent pre-amp so it may be psychological, but it sounds 'grainy' to me.

Lordy

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:51:19 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-08-28, Eiron wrote:
lordy wrote:

You have 6.5Hz, 50Hz and 100Hz components. Check your earthing for a start
and try to keep vibrations away.

Thanks.

. I've re-recorded the clip and I've noticed something more interesting about
that noise. It only kicks in when the groove is found...

http://lordy.org.uk/noise.html


No, the hum at least is there all the way through - it is just audibly
masked during the really noisy bit while finding the groove.
The Maplin preamp is showing signs of distress at the start when it is
trying to come out of the massive overload - it is very slow regaining
its proper internal bias state. If you are archiving a load of discs,
then probably some of them will be in better condition than this one
and would benefit from a better phono pre-amp.

Standing the turntable on something more solid may help you with some
of that extraneous mechanical noise, but I would really not hope for
anything very much better than you have (apart from the hum, that has
to go). Most of that other stuff is simply what vinyl does, I'm
afraid. Do use a steep high pass filter at about 20Hz on your
recording, though - it would be unkind to your speakers otherwise.

d

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