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"TT" wrote The biggest gain I have noticed is "magically" that fatiguing CD sound has gone and it has that more natural SACD/analog sound. *Ding Dong*........ ;-) |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Andy Evans wrote: which we know from a litany of posts about valve equipment. No, I'm speaking about instrumental timbre which appears to be more faithful rather than less. I can only ask people posting on this subject to hear this for themselves, since neither scientific method nor adjectives will substitute for the actual sound itself. Since musical timbre entirely *depends* on rich harmonics to sound good, it's hardly surpising then that a toob will 'flatter' them is it ? More from the 'It's ****e but at least it's *accurate*!' school of thinking? What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Andy Evans wrote: What they are confusing this with is their preference for an intentionally flawed but entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of distortion. Nothing wrong with their listening preference but the presentation of this as inherently superior is utterly bogus. The idea that valves are simply "added distortion" and nothing else could only be made by somebody with a) very little knowledge of modern valve circuits and how they sound or b) somebody with cloth ears. There is precious litle 'modern' about any valve circuit. I learnt on them btw. Nahh, I doubt that - you post like you've learnt nothing at all..... Do continue. What is it you think I do / don't know ( have / haven't learnt ) about valves ? See my response to your 'shocking failings' post...... |
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So? The purpose of the DAC is to listen to it.
Addenda, "The purpose of having the DAC is to listen to it" Up to the listener, of course, if they actually want specific examples of waveforms to be accurately reconstructed, or if they want them altered in specific waysJLS This is one of many ways of saying "true believers use accurate reproduction systems, while heretics worship at their own pagan shrines" - I think the implications are clear enough. |
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"Eeyore" wrote Listening will only tell you what *you* think of it, i.e. subjective evaluation. That is no reliable measure of 'goodness' whatever as easily can be seen from those who think SET tube amps are great despite shocking failings wrt precision and linearity. 'Shocking failings'....??? By any established technical standard for sure. (I love it when you Denial Boys start to talk dirty.....!! :-) You haven't heard the half of it. OK... First question - have you ever heard a SET and if so, on what speakers? Second question - how is an amp failing when it a) switches on and off OK, b) amplifies perfectly well all day long, b) sounds better than the other amps one may have to hand? Next - what price 'precision and linearity' to someone who is interested in *using* the kit and not designing it? When it comes to audio, provided no harm comes to kids, the elderly and little fluffy animals, I believe 'the end justifies the means' and I am not too strung out about some of the 'facts and figures' when it comes to *measurements* and the like. A task for you - play this fairly explosive track: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3 ....and listen to it first on a pair of headphones and then over your 'hifi system'. Report here what 'shocking failings' in your system you found. Comment on the 'fidelity' aspect and tell us how *accurate* you think it sounds. Then make the effort to hear it on a SET amp and tell us how it compares and what you have *learned* - this is what *we* SET users do, who also have a selection of other amps *both* SS and valves..... (SETs are pretty thin on the ground in the UK and I have a leetle tiny suspicion that many people with strong opinions about them have simply never heard one....??) |
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SETs are pretty thin on the ground in the UK and I have a leetle tiny
suspicion that many people with strong opinions about them have simply never heard one A leetle tiny suspicion??? Does this come from a Zorro film? I'd love to see the sign of the Z on all the Audiolab gear about town, and a caped intruder floating away into the darkness........ |
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What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and
pleased or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? There are people who believe that if you drive from Huddersfield to Bognor Regis in a) a Trabant and b) a Ferrari (pick your model) and the journey time is identical, then the driving experience must be the same. |
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It's my experience that "hybrid" amplifiers have both tube and ss
amplification stages, not ss current sinks, active loads etc. It would be deviating from common practice to call a circuit where the amplification stages were all tube a "hybrid" circuit Thank you. It is indeed a 'hybrid' You're not being (gulp) "wilfully perverse" here are you? There may be hope yet. |
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In article , Keith G
writes "Eeyore" wrote Listening will only tell you what *you* think of it, i.e. subjective evaluation. That is no reliable measure of 'goodness' whatever as easily can be seen from those who think SET tube amps are great despite shocking failings wrt precision and linearity. 'Shocking failings'....??? By any established technical standard for sure. (I love it when you Denial Boys start to talk dirty.....!! :-) You haven't heard the half of it. OK... First question - have you ever heard a SET and if so, on what speakers? Second question - how is an amp failing when it a) switches on and off OK, b) amplifies perfectly well all day long, b) sounds better than the other amps one may have to hand? Next - what price 'precision and linearity' to someone who is interested in *using* the kit and not designing it? When it comes to audio, provided no harm comes to kids, the elderly and little fluffy animals, I believe 'the end justifies the means' and I am not too strung out about some of the 'facts and figures' when it comes to *measurements* and the like. A task for you - play this fairly explosive track: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3 Which deck did you record that off Keith?.... ...and listen to it first on a pair of headphones and then over your 'hifi system'. Report here what 'shocking failings' in your system you found. Comment on the 'fidelity' aspect and tell us how *accurate* you think it sounds. Then make the effort to hear it on a SET amp and tell us how it compares and what you have *learned* - this is what *we* SET users do, who also have a selection of other amps *both* SS and valves..... (SETs are pretty thin on the ground in the UK and I have a leetle tiny suspicion that many people with strong opinions about them have simply never heard one....??) -- Tony Sayer |
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"Keith G" wrote in message ... "TT" wrote The biggest gain I have noticed is "magically" that fatiguing CD sound has gone and it has that more natural SACD/analog sound. *Ding Dong*........ ;-) Despite years of the Great Arny Krueger trying to convince me "that *all* CD players the same and *ALL* DACs sound the same and that an external DAC is a complete "waste" of time I believe I have found something that works exceptionally well. Regards TT |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G writes "Eeyore" wrote Listening will only tell you what *you* think of it, i.e. subjective evaluation. That is no reliable measure of 'goodness' whatever as easily can be seen from those who think SET tube amps are great despite shocking failings wrt precision and linearity. 'Shocking failings'....??? By any established technical standard for sure. (I love it when you Denial Boys start to talk dirty.....!! :-) You haven't heard the half of it. OK... First question - have you ever heard a SET and if so, on what speakers? Second question - how is an amp failing when it a) switches on and off OK, b) amplifies perfectly well all day long, b) sounds better than the other amps one may have to hand? Next - what price 'precision and linearity' to someone who is interested in *using* the kit and not designing it? When it comes to audio, provided no harm comes to kids, the elderly and little fluffy animals, I believe 'the end justifies the means' and I am not too strung out about some of the 'facts and figures' when it comes to *measurements* and the like. A task for you - play this fairly explosive track: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3 Which deck did you record that off Keith?.... Lucky Goldstar GSA-4167B that's OK Tony, I'll snip the rest of the **** off..... |
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"TT" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message ... "TT" wrote The biggest gain I have noticed is "magically" that fatiguing CD sound has gone and it has that more natural SACD/analog sound. *Ding Dong*........ ;-) Despite years of the Great Arny Krueger trying to convince me "that *all* CD players the same and *ALL* DACs sound the same and that an external DAC is a complete "waste" of time I believe I have found something that works exceptionally well. Arny's usually got a lot to say about many/most here, but at the end of the day he's the one who just don't *ever* learn*....!! ;-) |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ups.com... SETs are pretty thin on the ground in the UK and I have a leetle tiny suspicion that many people with strong opinions about them have simply never heard one A leetle tiny suspicion??? Does this come from a Zorro film? No - Blazing Saddles.... I'd love to see the sign of the Z on all the Audiolab gear about town, and a caped intruder floating away into the darkness........ Ooh, er, I say - steady on, old chap!! :-) Watching Gohatto atm (split over 2 evenings) it's kinda killing the *Samurai* thing for me! What next? - 'The Ginger Ninja'...??? :-)) Oops, there's me being *shallow* again...... :-P |
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Keith G wrote:
What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? Right on, Keith. -- Wally www.wally.myby.co.uk If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. |
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In article .com,
Andy Evans wrote: So? The purpose of the DAC is to listen to it. Addenda, "The purpose of having the DAC is to listen to it" Up to the listener, of course, if they actually want specific examples of waveforms to be accurately reconstructed, or if they want them altered in specific waysJLS This is one of many ways of saying "true believers use accurate reproduction systems, while heretics worship at their own pagan shrines" - I think the implications are clear enough. My "straw man argument" detector just triggered. :-) Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html |
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Laurence Payne wrote: On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:53:34 +0100, Eeyore wrote: We're discussing your response to: There is precious litle 'modern' about any valve circuit. I learnt on them btw. There's more than a valve in a "valve circuit". Now there may be solid-state components too. Which makes them hybrid, not exclusively valve. So who said "exclusively"? We're discussing modern applications of valves. They're GOING to be hybrid. (They're probably also going to be snake-oil, but that's another matter.) That seems to be a curious definition. By the same token you could call a hybrid, a semiconductor circuit in that case ! Graham |
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Andy Evans wrote: It's my experience that "hybrid" amplifiers have both tube and ss amplification stages, not ss current sinks, active loads etc. It would be deviating from common practice to call a circuit where the amplification stages were all tube a "hybrid" circuit So why use semiconductors at all then ? Graham |
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Andy Evans wrote: What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? You think I do that ? Graham |
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My "straw man argument" detector just triggered. :-) Slainte, Jim
I was hoping for something along the lines of: "carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument is not always itself a fallacy. Instead, it restricts the scope of the opponent's argument, either to where the argument is no longer relevant or as a step of a proof by exhaustion". Andy |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? |
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"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in
message On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:42:49 +0100, Eeyore wrote: There is precious litle 'modern' about any valve circuit. I learnt on them btw. I've no doubt you know valves from ( ?50s, 60s?, 70s?), but you'd be very surprised at how much things have changed. There has been no change whatever. Tube technology peaked in the early 50s. Not the function of the triode itself, which is well known, but the support circuitry is now quite complex - cascode active loads, constant current sinks etc. - a whole cuisine of modern ss devices and traditional stuff like glow tubes. It really is "nouvelle cuisine" if you pardon the expression. We're not talking Mullard circuits with EF86s and ECC83s any more. Indeed, toobists now use semiconductors to help cure the inherent flaws of thermionic devices. Well, make your mind up! Either valve circuits have changed or they haven't. No, the proper term for the use of semiconductors to help cure some of the inherent flaws of terminonic devices is "hybrid". There has been some advance in the design of hybrid circuits since the 1950s. |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Andy Evans wrote: which we know from a litany of posts about valve equipment. No, I'm speaking about instrumental timbre which appears to be more faithful rather than less. I can only ask people posting on this subject to hear this for themselves, since neither scientific method nor adjectives will substitute for the actual sound itself. Since musical timbre entirely *depends* on rich harmonics to sound good, it's hardly surpising then that a toob will 'flatter' them is it ? More from the 'It's ****e but at least it's *accurate*!' school of thinking? Accurate: Gold in, gold out Crap in, crap out Inaccurate: Gold in, crap out Crap in, crappier out What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does not need to be wallpapered to sound good. or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? That seems to be what you tube bigots do. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? What crap - legacy valve amps or 70s transistor equipment? Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps there? If there were it would tell us something - your not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the world probably....?? ;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote snip ******** What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does not need to be wallpapered to sound good. or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? That seems to be what you tube bigots do. Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... |
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That seems to be what you tube bigots do.
Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... You have to be patient with Arny - he's going to Night School to learn how to communicate. Not sure how he's doing, but it's a start. |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message oups.com... That seems to be what you tube bigots do. Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... You have to be patient with Arny - he's going to Night School to learn how to communicate. Not sure how he's doing, but it's a start. Never known a guy who *protests* so much - goes to a 'high end audio fair' to hate the kit, comes on here to disagree with everything thing he sees....??? (I suspect he goes to the library to rip the last page out of all the novels.....!! ;-) |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:42:49 +0100, Eeyore wrote: There is precious litle 'modern' about any valve circuit. I learnt on them btw. I've no doubt you know valves from ( ?50s, 60s?, 70s?), but you'd be very surprised at how much things have changed. There has been no change whatever. Tube technology peaked in the early 50s. Not the function of the triode itself, which is well known, but the support circuitry is now quite complex - cascode active loads, constant current sinks etc. - a whole cuisine of modern ss devices and traditional stuff like glow tubes. It really is "nouvelle cuisine" if you pardon the expression. We're not talking Mullard circuits with EF86s and ECC83s any more. Indeed, toobists now use semiconductors to help cure the inherent flaws of thermionic devices. Well, make your mind up! Either valve circuits have changed or they haven't. No, the proper term for the use of semiconductors to help cure some of the inherent flaws of terminonic devices is "hybrid". There has been some advance in the design of hybrid circuits since the 1950s. Nor is the mixed use of semiconductors and thermionics in electronic equipment especially new either ! Graham |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Keith G" wrote "Eeyore" wrote Andy Evans wrote: which we know from a litany of posts about valve equipment. No, I'm speaking about instrumental timbre which appears to be more faithful rather than less. I can only ask people posting on this subject to hear this for themselves, since neither scientific method nor adjectives will substitute for the actual sound itself. Since musical timbre entirely *depends* on rich harmonics to sound good, it's hardly surpising then that a toob will 'flatter' them is it ? More from the 'It's ****e but at least it's *accurate*!' school of thinking? Accurate: Gold in, gold out Crap in, crap out Inaccurate: Gold in, crap out Crap in, crappier out What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does not need to be wallpapered to sound good. or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? That seems to be what you tube bigots do. I really sometimes wonder what the audiophool nuts reckon audio professionals do for a living ? Maybe they missed the fact that it isn't audiophools who actually make the recordings, mix them down, master them and press them ? Only then do the terminally clueless get a chance to think they can somehow make it better than the original, which may have passed through a thousand well-designed op-amp stages on its way to its destination ! Graham |
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Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? What crap - legacy valve amps 'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured. or 70s transistor equipment? 70s transistor equipment was last manufactured in then ummm.... errrrr... 70s ! Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps there? If there were it would tell us something - your not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the world probably....?? ;-) There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due to the serious fundamental limitations of the devices. Any significant advances terminated in the 50s. Graham |
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Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote snip ******** What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does not need to be wallpapered to sound good. or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? That seems to be what you tube bigots do. Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... No he didn't. Graham |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote snip ******** What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and pleased Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does not need to be wallpapered to sound good. or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you can hear....?? That seems to be what you tube bigots do. Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... No he didn't. Yes he did, often - before your time.... |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? What crap - legacy valve amps 'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured. Eeyor, you got some catching up to do. I'm taking the **** out of Arny, I don't consider 'legacy amps' and 70s transistor stuff to be crap - Arny does, he's on it all the time. I have a pair of great-sounding amps that are about 40 years old and the 2A3 SET I built a year or two back is based on a 1929 design...!! or 70s transistor equipment? 70s transistor equipment was last manufactured in then ummm.... errrrr... 70s ! Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps there? If there were it would tell us something - your not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the world probably....?? ;-) There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due to the serious fundamental limitations of the devices. Any significant advances terminated in the 50s. So what? Most modern hanguns are based on designs well over 100 years old - they only got new versions on old themes, excep the ones that haven't really changed at all... |
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Eeyore wrote:
I really sometimes wonder what the audiophool nuts reckon audio professionals do for a living ? Maybe they missed the fact that it isn't audiophools who actually make the recordings, mix them down, master them and press them ? Only then do the terminally clueless get a chance to think they can somehow make it better than the original, which may have passed through a thousand well-designed op-amp stages on its way to its destination ! Are you saying that all "audio professionals" produce nothing but peerless recordings which cannot be improved upon? -- Wally www.wally.myby.co.uk You're unique - just like everybody else. |
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"Eeyore" wrote snip crap I really sometimes wonder what the audiophool nuts reckon audio professionals do for a living ? Well, according to some sources, they could turn one of Beethoven's bottled farts into his 10th Symphony if they wanted to, but let's not go there... Maybe they missed the fact that it isn't audiophools who actually make the recordings, mix them down, master them and press them ? Steady on - you'll be giving the Fidelity Freaks a heart attack at this rate....!! Only then do the terminally clueless get a chance to think they can somehow make it better than the original, which may have passed through a thousand well-designed op-amp stages on its way to its destination ! Call me a **** if you like, but I take hold of a record (even a CD occasionally) and I consider it a *product* and all I want to do is get the best of it - I don't terribly care what the conductor had for breakfast on the morning of the recording session or what it smelled like in the recording studio. All it has to do is sound as *realistic* as possible for me - that's *my* realistic, not anyone else's and it definitely helps if I can hear *all* of the voices, *all* of the words (where applicable) and *all* of the instruments. I know from my own *personal experience* that a lot of the so-called modern, blameless, low-distortion kit on modern speakers just *doesn't do that*......!! OK...?? |
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Wally wrote: Eeyore wrote: I really sometimes wonder what the audiophool nuts reckon audio professionals do for a living ? Maybe they missed the fact that it isn't audiophools who actually make the recordings, mix them down, master them and press them ? Only then do the terminally clueless get a chance to think they can somehow make it better than the original, which may have passed through a thousand well-designed op-amp stages on its way to its destination ! Are you saying that all "audio professionals" produce nothing but peerless recordings which cannot be improved upon? It's simply anyone's opinion as to whether the original recording was peerless or not. You can be pretty confident that those ppl doing the job are better at it than you might be though. As to improving on it - my opinion is quite simple. You can 'modify' it to suit your taste but it is what it is, warts and all. Certainly no particular 'flavour' of circuitry will produce an impeccable result everytime when fed with varying quality of source material. The method I favour is to aim for neutrality in reproduction and accept such flaws as exist as they are rather than try to 'paint them out' and lose all the good bits in the process. Graham |
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Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Keith G wrote: Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... No he didn't. Yes he did, often - before your time.... But not in this thread. Clipping *is* to be deprecated you know. Graham |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Keith G wrote: Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you come on here and tell me how many times it clipped.... No he didn't. Yes he did, often - before your time.... But not in this thread. I can't help that - we can't start ukra from scratch just because you've turned up.... Clipping *is* to be deprecated you know. Tell that to the people who produced 80% of the last, say, 100 CDs I've MP3'd to HDD..... No, make that 80% of the 1,500 albums I've got MP3'd..... |
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Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote "Keith G" wrote You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? What crap - legacy valve amps 'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured. Eeyor, you got some catching up to do. I'm taking the **** out of Arny, I don't consider 'legacy amps' and 70s transistor stuff to be crap Plenty of both *are* though. - Arny does, he's on it all the time. I have a pair of great-sounding amps that are about 40 years old and the 2A3 SET I built a year or two back is based on a 1929 design...!! Have you ever tried say a well-designed mosfet amp for comparison ? Graham |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Keith G wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote "Keith G" wrote You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the 70s could sound like..... And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap? What crap - legacy valve amps 'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured. Eeyor, you got some catching up to do. I'm taking the **** out of Arny, I don't consider 'legacy amps' and 70s transistor stuff to be crap Plenty of both *are* though. Sure, but not *all* simply by token of being old.... - Arny does, he's on it all the time. I have a pair of great-sounding amps that are about 40 years old and the 2A3 SET I built a year or two back is based on a 1929 design...!! Have you ever tried say a well-designed mosfet amp for comparison ? Not sure that I have - there's been a lot of stuff through here in the last few years.... Recommend one and I'll see if I can get hold of one. |
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Keith G wrote: "Eeyore" wrote snip crap I really sometimes wonder what the audiophool nuts reckon audio professionals do for a living ? Well, according to some sources, they could turn one of Beethoven's bottled farts into his 10th Symphony if they wanted to, but let's not go there... Those sources haven't a clue. It does however sound like a popular audiophool misrepresentation. Maybe they missed the fact that it isn't audiophools who actually make the recordings, mix them down, master them and press them ? Steady on - you'll be giving the Fidelity Freaks a heart attack at this rate....!! Only then do the terminally clueless get a chance to think they can somehow make it better than the original, which may have passed through a thousand well-designed op-amp stages on its way to its destination ! Call me a **** if you like, but I take hold of a record (even a CD occasionally) and I consider it a *product* and all I want to do is get the best of it - I don't terribly care what the conductor had for breakfast on the morning of the recording session or what it smelled like in the recording studio. All it has to do is sound as *realistic* as possible for me - that's *my* realistic, not anyone else's and it definitely helps if I can hear *all* of the voices, *all* of the words (where applicable) and *all* of the instruments. I know from my own *personal experience* that a lot of the so-called modern, blameless, low-distortion kit on modern speakers just *doesn't do that*......!! OK...?? That's just fine. I've never had any issue with anyone who chooses to use electronics creatively to alter the listening experience to suit their taste as long as they're honest about it. What does offend me is those who present 'their way' as the only true one and are wholly dishonest about the methods they use and then present them as 'superior' to the path of neutral accuracy. Neutral, as I've hinted at a couple of times isn't always maybe the 'easiest listening experience' but it can be a true revalation. Do you have Joni Mitchell's Blue btw ? It has a number of flaws imho but it's well worth listening to 'straight'. I use it as one of my regular references as it happens. Graham |
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