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Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.
That is the reason I always do A/B B/A comparisons and repeat them ove
several listening sessions to try to remove other human variables such
as mood and physical well being.


Scott

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Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

The funny thing is when someone
says the food at such and such is great no one demands proof via DBTs.

But presumably they aren't making claims for 'fidelity' into the bargain !


Doesn't matter.



Scott

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Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !


Gawd, this idiot's still replying to my posts when he's been told he's
binned....???



Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.
That is the reason I always do A/B B/A comparisons and repeat them ove
several listening sessions to try to remove other human variables such
as mood and physical well being.


One-off A/B comparisons are really quite useless except in the case of
*profound* differences, as in the case where summat's busted. My preferences
were evolved by long months (even years) of comparisons of varying durations
with any number of different bits of kit. The first valve amp I got was
something of a Paulian revelation and was what I had been seeking (without
even knowing it) for a good long time - I have not looked back since the
first time I fired it up!

When I am free to choose and can play the field I'm not likely to fall foul
of a *snap decision* - tell yer mate (above) that I now have equal numbers
of SS and valve amps here and can say *with conviction* that the valves beat
the SS stuff fifteen different ways up, on every front except
*convenience*!! (I don't use valves for HT and don't like to leave them on
when I'm in and out of the house all day - global warming and a waste of
valves....)

(I love it when noobies try to tell me about **** like 'listener
fatigue'....!!)

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Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.



Yes. This is a ploy used in some demos. Also if you can make the second
a little louder, this too will tip the balance.

Iain

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wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

The funny thing is when someone
says the food at such and such is great no one demands proof via DBTs.

But presumably they aren't making claims for 'fidelity' into the bargain !

Doesn't matter.

Because it's irrelevant in the case of restaurants.

Graham

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Iain Churches wrote:

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Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.


Yes. This is a ploy used in some demos. Also if you can make the second
a little louder, this too will tip the balance.

Yes. I had the trick about the level tweak explained to me by a guy who's
familiar with hi-fi reviewers a couple of weeks ago.

Works every time apparently !

Graham

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wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Which is what I said.

Graham

Apogee mini dac or Benchmark DAC1
 

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

The funny thing is when someone
says the food at such and such is great no one demands proof via DBTs.

But presumably they aren't making claims for 'fidelity' into the bargain !

Doesn't matter.

Because it's irrelevant in the case of restaurants.


Nope, guess again.


Scott

Apogee mini dac or Benchmark DAC1
 

Eeyore wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:

wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.

Interesting becuase i always thought listener fatigue happened after
extensive listening, that would be the B in an A/B comparison




Yes. This is a ploy used in some demos. Also if you can make the second
a little louder, this too will tip the balance.

Yes. I had the trick about the level tweak explained to me by a guy who's
familiar with hi-fi reviewers a couple of weeks ago.

Works every time apparently !

No just most of the time.



Scott

Apogee mini dac or Benchmark DAC1
 

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Which is what I said.


If listner fatigue were the cause then A would be the prefered
component since that listening took place with less fatigue.



Scott