....so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as having
said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up. Don't hold me
to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have been along the
following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some of
these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love playing
them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a stack of
singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them than some of
the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said summat
like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the record play
was an important part of the experience!!

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
news

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as having
said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

It depends on his definition of outlive.

As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up.
No they are not as most shops don't even stck them and haven't for years.

Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have been
along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!


What a load of rubbish! I like the way you can just pluck a figure from the
air and qualify it by saying not to hold you to it. Statistics say whatever
you want them to.
It also depends on whether that was one shop, one chain of shops, one area,
across the UK or world.

Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some of
these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

Two different unrelated arguments, you need to seperate the two.

What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!

Was he taking any drugs at the time as a "young lad" would not say that !
Young people don't appreciate records as they have been brought up on CD and
MP3, so not many of them will have experience of records. They would tend
to class them as old peoples things - making them uncool to be associated
with.
Again, to get the answer you want, you have to phrase a question a certain
way.

:-)


I don't see the point you were trying to make. Was it just that you like
playing records? If so then great, i'm happy for you. Try carrying a
record player and generator on a bus or train, or in the street. You would
probably be sectioned.

"malc" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
news

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

It depends on his definition of outlive.


Uh oh, this don't look good....


As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up.
No they are not as most shops don't even stck them and haven't for years.


Gawd, thought as much....



Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!


What a load of rubbish! I like the way you can just pluck a figure from
the air and qualify it by saying not to hold you to it.


I gave approximate figures as an indicator, I suspect the 'accurate' figures
are 178,800 for 2001 and 1.4 million for 2005 but who's to know?? You still
can't hold me to them......



Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....



It also depends on whether that was one shop, one chain of shops, one
area, across the UK or world.


Try working on the words 'UK sales'....



Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some
of these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

Two different unrelated arguments, you need to seperate the two.


???


(*Need*....???)



What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!

Was he taking any drugs at the time as a "young lad" would not say that !


???


Young people don't appreciate records as they have been brought up on CD
and MP3, so not many of them will have experience of records. They would
tend to class them as old peoples things - making them uncool to be
associated with.


WTF *are you going on about? I just told you - 16 year olds are buying 7
inch singles. It was on the bloody telly!! Do you think they would bother to
broadcast that if it wasn't true....??


Again, to get the answer you want, you have to phrase a question a certain
way.


Who TF is asking questions? What's that got to do with anything?



:-)


I don't see the point you were trying to make. Was it just that you like
playing records? If so then great, i'm happy for you. Try carrying a
record player and generator on a bus or train, or in the street. You
would probably be sectioned.


Stoppit already.....

Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=...file_938.shtml


And have a little think about it all......

"Keith G" wrote in message
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Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were said
to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were said to
be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl. They went
on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to meet demand.

I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed with the
standard of son's turntable last time I looked.

"APR" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were
said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl.
They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.



The same figures work for Australia also....???

Now, that *is* queer......



I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed with
the standard of son's turntable last time I looked.


The kid on the (UK) news article I saw said he was using his grandfather's
(??) tt but was saving up for his own!

I suspect the youngsters who do buy decks mostly go for the 'disco' type:

http://www.djkit.co.uk/sectionindexes/decks.php

There are some pretty sexy bits of kit available with inbuilt DACs and Phono
Stages, USB connectivity and (best of all) blue or red lights on 'em!! One
thing which is a bit impressive if the ability to record 78s and 'software
convert' them to 33s!!

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnp

(Don't know how good it would be, but I suspect it would be hard to
tell...?? ;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"APR" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were
said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl.
They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.



The same figures work for Australia also....???

Now, that *is* queer......



I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he
and his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed
with the standard of son's turntable last time I looked.


The kid on the (UK) news article I saw said he was using his grandfather's
(??) tt but was saving up for his own!

I suspect the youngsters who do buy decks mostly go for the 'disco' type:

http://www.djkit.co.uk/sectionindexes/decks.php

There are some pretty sexy bits of kit available with inbuilt DACs and
Phono Stages, USB connectivity and (best of all) blue or red lights on
'em!! One thing which is a bit impressive if the ability to record 78s and
'software convert' them to 33s!!

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnp

(Don't know how good it would be, but I suspect it would be hard to
tell...?? ;-)


I didn't get the start of the broadcast, however, on listening again to what
I do have it appears the figures quoted are not refering to Australia as the
announcer then goes on to say "while figures here arn't so dramatic, figures
here are up 12% from last year". so the numbers quoted probable are refering
to your area of the world as they are the same as you are quoting.

APR wrote:


I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl,

Jazz? Vinyl? What are they smoking? I bet they all like valve amps too.

Roy.

"Roy" x@y wrote in message ...
APR wrote:


I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he
and his mates (musicians) all play vinyl,

Jazz? Vinyl? What are they smoking? I bet they all like valve amps too.

Roy.

No valve amps, just your typical current middle of the road audio systems.

In article , APR
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales
have been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers
were said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with
vinyl.

How many CDs per year are sold in Australia?

They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.

Wonder how many CD production plants there are.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , APR
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales
have been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers
were said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with
vinyl.

How many CDs per year are sold in Australia?



Jeez, does anybody care....???



They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.

Wonder how many CD production plants there are.


Jeez, does anybody care....???