Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/



OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg


If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg


Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

(Excuse slightly different start points/lengths on what should be identical
clips!!)


Baffled? I know I am....!! ;-)

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:59:46 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/



OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg


If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg


Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

(Excuse slightly different start points/lengths on what should be identical
clips!!)


Baffled? I know I am....!! ;-)


Something strange in the way Sound Forge reports the numbers, that's
all. I don't understand it any better than you, though.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Keith G wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote

I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/


OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg

If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg

Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

Do you mean one's more clipped than the other ? Why does this surprise you ?

Graham

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:08:16 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:



Keith G wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote

I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/


OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg

If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg

Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

Do you mean one's more clipped than the other ? Why does this surprise you ?

Graham

I think he means that the second one apparently clips at -6dB

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:59:46 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/



OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker,
in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg


If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg


Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

(Excuse slightly different start points/lengths on what should be
identical
clips!!)


Baffled? I know I am....!! ;-)


Something strange in the way Sound Forge reports the numbers, that's
all. I don't understand it any better than you, though.


It gets worse....

If I cut and paste the 'active' channel only (from the stereo recording)
into a new 'window', I get 'dual mono' (which actually sounds quite good)
without the strange -6 dB 'limit' thus:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...no%20Tenor.jpg


If I then try to 'convert' that to mono, it goes into 'Pavarotti Mode':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...no%20Tenor.jpg


???

Well flummoxed now - looks like I'm gonna hafta learn the bloody software
after all....!!

Uh oh, 'shutdown mode' coming on....

N
e
e
d

t
o

t
h
i
n
k
!!

Zzzzz......

:-)

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:30:39 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:59:46 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/



OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker,
in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg


If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg


Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

(Excuse slightly different start points/lengths on what should be
identical
clips!!)


Baffled? I know I am....!! ;-)


Something strange in the way Sound Forge reports the numbers, that's
all. I don't understand it any better than you, though.


It gets worse....

If I cut and paste the 'active' channel only (from the stereo recording)
into a new 'window', I get 'dual mono' (which actually sounds quite good)
without the strange -6 dB 'limit' thus:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...no%20Tenor.jpg


If I then try to 'convert' that to mono, it goes into 'Pavarotti Mode':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...no%20Tenor.jpg


???

Well flummoxed now - looks like I'm gonna hafta learn the bloody software
after all....!!

Uh oh, 'shutdown mode' coming on....

N
e
e
d

t
o

t
h
i
n
k
!!

Zzzzz......

:-)







Yebbut, do practice turning down until it isn't clipping any more.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


Yebbut, do practice turning down until it isn't clipping any more.


The volume on the amp is at 8 o' clock and not loud in the room, the gain on
the preamp is about 20% (if that) of max, the sliders in SF are nearly on
the floor - it records fine (OK, maybe up to 0.0 on the heavy ****, but the
'clip flags' don't come on).....

....and then the fekkin thing clips on playback.....???

Need to get the socket set out, I suspect....

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:53:13 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


Yebbut, do practice turning down until it isn't clipping any more.


The volume on the amp is at 8 o' clock and not loud in the room, the gain on
the preamp is about 20% (if that) of max, the sliders in SF are nearly on
the floor - it records fine (OK, maybe up to 0.0 on the heavy ****, but the
'clip flags' don't come on).....

...and then the fekkin thing clips on playback.....???

Need to get the socket set out, I suspect....


Well, those pics are really heavily clipped. Fire up the windows
mixer, click the advanced button on the mic input and take away the
tick from the 20dB gain box. That should make the sliders and levels a
bit friendlier.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Don Pearce wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:08:16 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote

I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/


OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg

If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg

Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

Do you mean one's more clipped than the other ? Why does this surprise you ?

Graham

I think he means that the second one apparently clips at -6dB

I hadn't spotted that. I'm sure that's becasue of the way the monoing is done.

Graham

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:39:29 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:08:16 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote

I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/


OK, I've got a mystery I need cleared up before I can do anything else:

If I record in Stereo (with the amp's balance swung over to one speaker, in
front of the single mic) I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Stereo%20Tenor.jpg

If I set the recording software (Sound Forge) to Mono, with *nothing else*
changed I get this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Mono%20Tenor.jpg

Note the 'upper limit' differences - what is going on here that I should
know?

Do you mean one's more clipped than the other ? Why does this surprise you ?

Graham

I think he means that the second one apparently clips at -6dB

I hadn't spotted that. I'm sure that's becasue of the way the monoing is done.

Graham

Probably, but both Audition and Nuendo sum to mono at 0dB. I can't
think why Sound Forge would do this.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com