Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Nick has very kindly loaned me his superb Behringer ECM 8000 measurement mic
for me to do my speaker investigations and a very handy disk with test tones
and various tracks on it - including some 'bangs' which, of course, are only
there to entertain immature types who never got over such silly, schoolboy
stuff....

.....so, here are two versions of the same 3 short tracks (machine gun,
Chieftain tank, thunderclap) recorded open mic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20B.mp3

:-)


They are different amp/speaker pairings, otherwise all else is the same for
both trax and the recording level shenanigans were as much a bugger as they
have been on my little lapel mic!

Anybody care to pick the 'better one'...??

(Headphones on and wick 'em up for best effect!!... ;-)

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Keith G wrote:

....so, here are two versions of the same 3 short tracks (machine gun,
Chieftain tank, thunderclap) recorded open mic:

Ah, the Alan Parsons sound check CD - the trains are good. Lights out, and
your sitting in a station...

The 1000mph jet fly-past is a peach.


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny, but it keeps them on the knife.
(Spike Milligan)

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:05:37 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


Nick has very kindly loaned me his superb Behringer ECM 8000 measurement mic
for me to do my speaker investigations and a very handy disk with test tones
and various tracks on it - including some 'bangs' which, of course, are only
there to entertain immature types who never got over such silly, schoolboy
stuff....

....so, here are two versions of the same 3 short tracks (machine gun,
Chieftain tank, thunderclap) recorded open mic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20B.mp3

:-)


They are different amp/speaker pairings, otherwise all else is the same for
both trax and the recording level shenanigans were as much a bugger as they
have been on my little lapel mic!

Anybody care to pick the 'better one'...??

(Headphones on and wick 'em up for best effect!!... ;-)






I had expected them to be rather more similar than they were. Speaker
B has unbelievably peaky treble; it really is most unpleasant
sounding. Of course there is a chance that is the way the track is
meant to sound, but somehow I doubt it. Which was which?

Could you post a direct connection recording for a reference?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Wally wrote (in his sig):

I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny, but it keeps them on the knife.
(Spike Milligan)

I think you'll find that verse predates Spike Milligan.

--
Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

Keith G wrote:

Nick has very kindly loaned me his superb Behringer ECM 8000 measurement mic
for me to do my speaker investigations and a very handy disk with test tones
and various tracks on it - including some 'bangs' which, of course, are only
there to entertain immature types who never got over such silly, schoolboy
stuff....

....so, here are two versions of the same 3 short tracks (machine gun,
Chieftain tank, thunderclap) recorded open mic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Bangs%20B.mp3

:-)

They are different amp/speaker pairings, otherwise all else is the same for
both trax and the recording level shenanigans were as much a bugger as they
have been on my little lapel mic!

Anybody care to pick the 'better one'...??

(Headphones on and wick 'em up for best effect!!... ;-)

The B version has no bass.

What's the point of this ?

Graham

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


I had expected them to be rather more similar than they were.


So did I, but I have introduced another variable since the other recent
recordings (??) - in reality, the A speakers are the 'peakier' ones by far!!
(Actually, the player was different also - a Pioneer DVDP this time, but I
doubt it made any difference.)


Speaker
B has unbelievably peaky treble; it really is most unpleasant
sounding. Of course there is a chance that is the way the track is
meant to sound, but somehow I doubt it. Which was which?


Let me keep it 'blind' for the moment and I'll post some more trax (with the
above variable taken out of the equation) later, when I have mastered the
levels at bit better - those recordings were the very first I have done with
Nick's mic. Everything is still on the floor to avoid clipping - just like
always!! And the waveforms are all over the place atm!!


Could you post a direct connection recording for a reference?

OK, in this order:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2089.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2090.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2091.mp3

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:14:35 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


I had expected them to be rather more similar than they were.


So did I, but I have introduced another variable since the other recent
recordings (??) - in reality, the A speakers are the 'peakier' ones by far!!
(Actually, the player was different also - a Pioneer DVDP this time, but I
doubt it made any difference.)


Speaker
B has unbelievably peaky treble; it really is most unpleasant
sounding. Of course there is a chance that is the way the track is
meant to sound, but somehow I doubt it. Which was which?


Let me keep it 'blind' for the moment and I'll post some more trax (with the
above variable taken out of the equation) later, when I have mastered the
levels at bit better - those recordings were the very first I have done with
Nick's mic. Everything is still on the floor to avoid clipping - just like
always!! And the waveforms are all over the place atm!!


Could you post a direct connection recording for a reference?

OK, in this order:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2089.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2090.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%2091.mp3



OK - all sussed. Your system (not the microphone/PC - your record
player) was seriously heavily overloaded and clipped during playback.
It is just way short of power capability for reproducing that
waveform. Try turning it down quite a long way, then we can get to
grips with what it is really doing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


OK - all sussed. Your system (not the microphone/PC - your record
player) was seriously heavily overloaded and clipped during playback.
It is just way short of power capability for reproducing that
waveform. Try turning it down quite a long way, then we can get to
grips with what it is really doing.


OK, I'll redo Bangs B and repost it - a little later, the 'household' isn't,
er, fully assembled yet so I am stuffed for open mic stuff!!

(If I don't do summat different - I've heard enough of those bangs to last a
lifetime!!)

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:49:41 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


OK - all sussed. Your system (not the microphone/PC - your record
player) was seriously heavily overloaded and clipped during playback.
It is just way short of power capability for reproducing that
waveform. Try turning it down quite a long way, then we can get to
grips with what it is really doing.


OK, I'll redo Bangs B and repost it - a little later, the 'household' isn't,
er, fully assembled yet so I am stuffed for open mic stuff!!

(If I don't do summat different - I've heard enough of those bangs to last a
lifetime!!)


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Too damn old for this silliness...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:49:41 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


OK - all sussed. Your system (not the microphone/PC - your record
player) was seriously heavily overloaded and clipped during playback.
It is just way short of power capability for reproducing that
waveform. Try turning it down quite a long way, then we can get to
grips with what it is really doing.


OK, I'll redo Bangs B and repost it - a little later, the 'household'
isn't,
er, fully assembled yet so I am stuffed for open mic stuff!!

(If I don't do summat different - I've heard enough of those bangs to last
a
lifetime!!)


I've put together some piccies of what's going on, here

http://81.174.169.10/odds/bangs/



Excellent stuff, Don - I'm back on this as soon as I can get to it. Right
now I'm up to my neck in spreadsheet stuff for a second house purchase
(joint with Son No. 2)...!!

Shortly....