In article ,
Mr.T MrT@home wrote:
Now, what's the betting either or even both these clowns continue to
reply to my posts...??

I see, you are the only one with the right to post as much crap as you
choose. I guess you think the Internet was built just for you.
Here's a hint, if you don't want replies, DON'T post!
Here's another hint, learn how to use a kill file. I won't be offended in
the slightest.

At one time this group was getting known as Mr G's blog...

And his ego is such that any comment he sees from those he's killfiled on
a reply etc will inevitably bring forth some more bile. ;-)

--
*Never miss a good chance to shut up.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Mr.T
MrT@home wrote:
snip

If the vinyl lovers wish to enjoy their personal choice without
disparaging remarks, all they need do is stop claiming to the world that
it is better than CD. Seems simple enough to me.

Indeed.

I haven't noticed many remarks that state in absolute terms that 'vinyl is
better than CD'. I read most of the remarks as 'I prefer the sound
produced from vinyl'. So perhaps it isn't quite as simple as you pair
believe ... :-)

There is also a group within the uk.rec structure dedicated to
vinyl, but the vinyl nuts don't post there preferring to try and spread
their gospel wide.

Are you two 'CD nuts'? Do you advocate CDs with envangelical zeal? A bit
of empiricism and positivism is not unknown in the faith-belief world too
;-)

Why?

For myself, I'm more interested in audio than vinyl. I think it's nice if
people can make up their own mind about vinyl by listening, using and
taking on board the technical arguments. The UK audio group tends to
provide a good blend of things I'm interested in.

Even they don't apparently understand.

Understand what - that 'CD is better than vinyl'?

They hate
any home truths

Like what? Do you mean the 'fact' that CD is better than vinyl?

about their pet but constantly invite such responses.


Calm down, it's only a preference :-)



Not to the Denial Boyz - anything that threatens their CD bigotry is a
blasphemy....

Right now there are dozens of posts harping on about CDs and making all
sorts of superiority claims for them and later on, by some miracle, it will
all be twisted round that the vinylists *said it*....

WTF is it that's got 'em running so damn scared?

(Anybody tells me that CD is better than LP, I say 'fine' and
*think*...'****'.....!! ;-)

In article ,
Rob wrote:
I haven't noticed many remarks that state in absolute terms that 'vinyl
is better than CD'. I read most of the remarks as 'I prefer the sound
produced from vinyl'. So perhaps it isn't quite as simple as you pair
believe ... :-)

Just look at this from our resident ayatollah - Mr G...

From: Keith G
Subject: Vinyl to CD on a PC
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:10
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

Try all it likes, CD will never beat a good LP for a sense of
*realism*.....

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*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Name an improvement to the parameters of the CD format that has
improved CD quality.

Hazard a rough guess as to how many posts you've currently got up
*harping on* about CD...???

A fraction of yours mentioning vinyl.

....to the nearest *dozen* will do....

Make that hundreds in your case.

(What is it you Denial Boyz are so damn *scared* of.....???)

You really don't see it.

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*No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver,purple

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rob wrote:
I haven't noticed many remarks that state in absolute terms that 'vinyl
is better than CD'. I read most of the remarks as 'I prefer the sound
produced from vinyl'. So perhaps it isn't quite as simple as you pair
believe ... :-)

Just look at this from our resident ayatollah - Mr G...

From: Keith G
Subject: Vinyl to CD on a PC
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:10
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

Try all it likes, CD will never beat a good LP for a sense of
*realism*.....


Mmm. I think you misunderstand. That statement doesn't say anything
close to 'vinyl is better than CD' in absolute terms. Perhaps you do
understand, but you can find a better example?

Mr.T wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
I haven't noticed many remarks that state in absolute terms that 'vinyl
is better than CD'.

Try Google, there are thousands of them.


I just tried your suggestion (vinyl better CD). Clearly I haven't been
through all 6m but the first few pages seem to be pointing to something
like a more enjoyable, realistic sound. Not unequivocal.

I read most of the remarks as 'I prefer the sound
produced from vinyl'.

If only it were true. Everyone is entitled to their own *preference*, and I
have said so many times.

Are you two 'CD nuts'? Do you advocate CDs with envangelical zeal?


And you are in the best position to comment. But might your technical
certainties twist your listening experience? Because you know that CD
must be better, do your prophecies self-fulfill?

Not me, I still have vinyl as well, I can't speak for anyone else.

A bit of empiricism and positivism is not unknown in the faith-belief
world
too ;-)

It's not "faith" if you have verifiable, testable, repeatable proof, is it?


I don't think anyone who prefers vinyl would argue that, for example,
dynamic range and S/N of CD is potential better (although I prefer
different). There is no proof, BTW, that CD is better than vinyl in
absolute terms.

For myself, I'm more interested in audio than vinyl. I think it's nice
if people can make up their own mind about vinyl by listening, using and
taking on board the technical arguments.

Sure, but the smart ones just listen to the music, without any need for
false claims.


Indeed. False claims are a different matter, though.

Mr.T wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
I don't give a **** who you were replying to, but if you want a private
conversation with that puffed up, self-important little twerp Plowie, I'll
make it easy for you - you can join him in my ****ter...

**splash**

Now, what's the betting either or even both these clowns continue to reply
to my posts...??

I see, you are the only one with the right to post as much crap as you
choose.

Obviously not. Just look at the loads of crap you have posted. Has
anyone stopped you? Your rights to post crap are protected.

Mr.T wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
You have it back to front. I can't remember the last time anyone STARTED
a
thread bashing vinyl, rather than simply responding to the ill informed.

Who was it that said I don't get irony? Don Plowman? Dick Pearce? You
can't remember this thread while you were posting to it?

You think the OP was bashing vinyl by asking for help in transferring to CD?

No.


You're not ironic, just moronic.

Indeed only a moron would interpret my post as a reference to the first
post in the thread rather than the first inflamatory post in the
thread. Moron.


Scott.

Mr.T wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Didn't think there was any argument?
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 16 bits?

Of course not!
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 14 bits?

Make that 12 bits, and you still have a tough question for the vinyl
bigots
to answer.

Sure, but then your starting to get into the area of debate rather than a
slam dunk.
Now if we start talking about the *average* pressing of the vinyl era, 10
bits would be overkill :-(


If we are talking about actual commercial CDs few of todays releases
have more then 20db dynamic range.


Scott

Mr.T wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Nice try Arnold. But I rely on my ears you rely on audio religion.

That's your problem, you rely on your "ears" which are obviously faulty,
Arny relies on test equipment.

That says it all. The ears are wrong the test equipment is right. Your
an official meter reader. Ever listen to music? I thought not.


Anybody relying on their "ears" alone, should NOT be arguing anything in a
*technical* forum!


This is a technical forum? You really are a ****ing moron.




Scott