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so then the gold and platinum-plated stuff is done only to reduce corrosion?

I have played the cable and interconnect game and have found that the any
good quality interconnect sounds as good as expensive ones. I have a friend
that buys into all that crap, including $1200 power conditioners. LOL!

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.



"Phil" wrote in message
...
`
Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

In this context, it usually means ordinary solder with 2% silver added so
as
not to leach silver from the connection.

Norm Strong

Sound card to amp?
 

BTW: I'm not being sarcastic, just a little exaggerated.

I don't believe in expensive interconnects or cables at all. I do believe in
quality and the level of. I don't think that the silver solder is
responsible for the durability of my unit but I do believe it is
manufactured allot better then anything from Sony.

However, RCA does make crap everything :)




"fish" wrote in message
et...
you may be correct, most audiophile equipment manufacturers sell snake
oil.

I believe anything that reduces corrosion can last longer. The gold and
platinum pots have hardly been cleaned over the least 20 years and they
are
very silent. I have also never had an issue with lose of ground or
connection and the unit has been moved (tossed) around quite a bit.

But its all BS. I mean, monster cable or lamp-cord, same ****e! Aluminum
couplings from Radio Shack are not any less effective as gold-plated
silver
ones from the 'audiophile' store. It's amazing how gullible people are.
Make
a $269 interconnect and they will buy it. Hell, I bet you can switch it
with
that spaghetti string crap that RCA ships with its $69 DVD players sold
everywhere from you local supermarket to the nationwide Electronics-R-Us
stores and they will never know. Stick it in a thick rubber case and tell
them it was $499 and they will tell you how much better is sounds, right?
Interconnects have no effects on the sound texture at all and for that
matter, the internal wiring of any component can be cheapened to help
reduce
overall consumer cost. Same for power transformers.

Yup, snake oil and hair tonic.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

fish wrote:
not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering.
Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.

Sound card to amp?
 

BTW: I'm not being sarcastic, just a little exaggerated.

I don't believe in expensive interconnects or cables at all. I do believe in
quality and the level of. I don't think that the silver solder is
responsible for the durability of my unit but I do believe it is
manufactured allot better then anything from Sony.

However, RCA does make crap everything :)




"fish" wrote in message
et...
you may be correct, most audiophile equipment manufacturers sell snake
oil.

I believe anything that reduces corrosion can last longer. The gold and
platinum pots have hardly been cleaned over the least 20 years and they
are
very silent. I have also never had an issue with lose of ground or
connection and the unit has been moved (tossed) around quite a bit.

But its all BS. I mean, monster cable or lamp-cord, same ****e! Aluminum
couplings from Radio Shack are not any less effective as gold-plated
silver
ones from the 'audiophile' store. It's amazing how gullible people are.
Make
a $269 interconnect and they will buy it. Hell, I bet you can switch it
with
that spaghetti string crap that RCA ships with its $69 DVD players sold
everywhere from you local supermarket to the nationwide Electronics-R-Us
stores and they will never know. Stick it in a thick rubber case and tell
them it was $499 and they will tell you how much better is sounds, right?
Interconnects have no effects on the sound texture at all and for that
matter, the internal wiring of any component can be cheapened to help
reduce
overall consumer cost. Same for power transformers.

Yup, snake oil and hair tonic.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

fish wrote:
not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering.
Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.

Sound card to amp?
 

In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:
So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.

--
*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:
So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.

--
*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Sound card to amp?
 

Dave Plowman wrote:
In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:

So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.


Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.


Indeed, there's a word for it --- the brain cells are dim, but something
like eutectic?? --- but the proportions are fairly critical, I believe.

--
Nick H (UK)

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Dave Plowman wrote:
In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:

So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.


Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.


Indeed, there's a word for it --- the brain cells are dim, but something
like eutectic?? --- but the proportions are fairly critical, I believe.

--
Nick H (UK)

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"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Sound card to amp?
 

"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Sound card to amp?
 

*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

No they won't. People with big companies shall inherit the earth

Sound card to amp?
 

*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

No they won't. People with big companies shall inherit the earth

Sound card to amp?
 

"fish" wrote in message
et...
BTW: I'm not being sarcastic, just a little exaggerated.

I don't believe in expensive interconnects or cables at all. I do believe
in
quality and the level of. I don't think that the silver solder is
responsible for the durability of my unit but I do believe it is
manufactured allot better then anything from Sony.

However, RCA does make crap everything :)


STOP TOP-POSTING, ****!!!!

Sound card to amp?
 

"fish" wrote in message
et...
BTW: I'm not being sarcastic, just a little exaggerated.

I don't believe in expensive interconnects or cables at all. I do believe
in
quality and the level of. I don't think that the silver solder is
responsible for the durability of my unit but I do believe it is
manufactured allot better then anything from Sony.

However, RCA does make crap everything :)


STOP TOP-POSTING, ****!!!!

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"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give
us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Holy ****!

What have I done! I only asked about my soundcard connections.

I reckon this is a good example of how wars start; The world's governments
have secret news groups and they all post about current affairs and such.
One day Bush and Sadam have an argument about silver-soldered googlemiflops,
the next thing you know, Sadmam is without a country. All because of weapons
of hi fidelity.

Sound card to amp?
 

"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give
us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Holy ****!

What have I done! I only asked about my soundcard connections.

I reckon this is a good example of how wars start; The world's governments
have secret news groups and they all post about current affairs and such.
One day Bush and Sadam have an argument about silver-soldered googlemiflops,
the next thing you know, Sadmam is without a country. All because of weapons
of hi fidelity.

Sound card to amp?
 

treefroginometry wrote:
"Stimpy" wrote in message
...

"fish" wrote in message
.net...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find

anything

esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give

us

an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.


Holy ****!

What have I done! I only asked about my soundcard connections.

I reckon this is a good example of how wars start; The world's governments
have secret news groups and they all post about current affairs and such.
One day Bush and Sadam have an argument about silver-soldered googlemiflops,
the next thing you know, Sadmam is without a country. All because of weapons
of hi fidelity.



:-)))

--
Nick H (UK)

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treefroginometry wrote:
"Stimpy" wrote in message
...

"fish" wrote in message
.net...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find

anything

esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give

us

an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.


Holy ****!

What have I done! I only asked about my soundcard connections.

I reckon this is a good example of how wars start; The world's governments
have secret news groups and they all post about current affairs and such.
One day Bush and Sadam have an argument about silver-soldered googlemiflops,
the next thing you know, Sadmam is without a country. All because of weapons
of hi fidelity.



:-)))

--
Nick H (UK)

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more from the 'Arny Krueger school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about
it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes whenever
I need a new cable.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

Sound card to amp?
 

more from the 'Arny Krueger school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about
it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes whenever
I need a new cable.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

Sound card to amp?
 

more from the 'Stimpy school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

No they won't. People with big companies shall inherit the earth

Such as Bill Gates?

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

Sound card to amp?
 

more from the 'Stimpy school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

No they won't. People with big companies shall inherit the earth

Such as Bill Gates?

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

Sound card to amp?
 

McIntosh
Aragon
Conrad Johnson
Dynoco
Kyocera
Rotel

to name just a few. i guess it also depends on what you consider esoteric.
how about just stuff you would never find in a sony, pioneer, yamaha or any
other asian made mass-consumer products.



"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give
us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Sound card to amp?
 

McIntosh
Aragon
Conrad Johnson
Dynoco
Kyocera
Rotel

to name just a few. i guess it also depends on what you consider esoteric.
how about just stuff you would never find in a sony, pioneer, yamaha or any
other asian made mass-consumer products.



"Stimpy" wrote in message
...
"fish" wrote in message
et...

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find
anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.

Yeah right... IMNSHE they all pretty much use 'mains' wire - please give
us
an example of a mid range manufacturer who uses 'esoteric stuff inside.

Sound card to amp?
 

"fish" wrote in message
. net...
McIntosh
Aragon
Conrad Johnson
Dynoco
Kyocera
Rotel

to name just a few. i guess it also depends on what you consider esoteric.
how about just stuff you would never find in a sony, pioneer, yamaha or
any
other asian made mass-consumer products.

I suppose, by 'mid range', I was referring to the 'asian made mass-consumer
products' you mentioned. I'm sure none of those manufacturers use anything
more than the cheapest wiring they can get away with


--
The presence of this sig indicates that I'm under the influence of excess
alcohol. Until I'm sober enough to remember to switch this sig file off,
please treat the above as merely drunken ranting.

I apologise in advance for any offence caused :-)

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"fish" wrote in message
. net...
McIntosh
Aragon
Conrad Johnson
Dynoco
Kyocera
Rotel

to name just a few. i guess it also depends on what you consider esoteric.
how about just stuff you would never find in a sony, pioneer, yamaha or
any
other asian made mass-consumer products.

I suppose, by 'mid range', I was referring to the 'asian made mass-consumer
products' you mentioned. I'm sure none of those manufacturers use anything
more than the cheapest wiring they can get away with


--
The presence of this sig indicates that I'm under the influence of excess
alcohol. Until I'm sober enough to remember to switch this sig file off,
please treat the above as merely drunken ranting.

I apologise in advance for any offence caused :-)

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:
So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.

I think that's universal. So far as I know, every alloy melts at a
temperature below a straight line connecting the melting points of the two
components (for 2-component alloys at any rate.) The lowest possible
melting point is known as a eutectic alloy.

Norm Strong

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nick H (UK) wrote:
So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Alloys are strange. It's perfectly possible for an alloy to have a lower
melting point then any of the pure metals.

I think that's universal. So far as I know, every alloy melts at a
temperature below a straight line connecting the melting points of the two
components (for 2-component alloys at any rate.) The lowest possible
melting point is known as a eutectic alloy.

Norm Strong

Sound card to amp?
 

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

Besides, it's the first I've heard of the lead in solder being a health
hazard under normal use. The flux, yes.

Hasn't lead got to be a dust or actually incinerated before it's a hazard
to breathe?

--
*I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Jim H wrote:
True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

Besides, it's the first I've heard of the lead in solder being a health
hazard under normal use. The flux, yes.

Hasn't lead got to be a dust or actually incinerated before it's a hazard
to breathe?

--
*I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Sound card to amp?
 

more from the 'Dave Plowman school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

My mistake. It seems all lead-free is silver, but not all silver is lead-
free.

Besides, it's the first I've heard of the lead in solder being a health
hazard under normal use. The flux, yes.

Hasn't lead got to be a dust or actually incinerated before it's a hazard
to breathe?

Not sure. I've always been tought to try not to breathe the fumes from the
standard 60/40 stuff. Would be interesting to hear if they actually are
harmful.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

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more from the 'Dave Plowman school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

My mistake. It seems all lead-free is silver, but not all silver is lead-
free.

Besides, it's the first I've heard of the lead in solder being a health
hazard under normal use. The flux, yes.

Hasn't lead got to be a dust or actually incinerated before it's a hazard
to breathe?

Not sure. I've always been tought to try not to breathe the fumes from the
standard 60/40 stuff. Would be interesting to hear if they actually are
harmful.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

Sound card to amp?
 

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
Not sure. I've always been tought to try not to breathe the fumes from
the standard 60/40 stuff. Would be interesting to hear if they actually
are harmful.

For occasional DIY I seriously doubt there is any real health hazard. H&S
regulations require some form of extraction for regular use. But I'd
always thought this was mainly for the flux fumes which are carcinogenic.

--
*A backward poet writes inverse.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Jim H wrote:
Not sure. I've always been tought to try not to breathe the fumes from
the standard 60/40 stuff. Would be interesting to hear if they actually
are harmful.

For occasional DIY I seriously doubt there is any real health hazard. H&S
regulations require some form of extraction for regular use. But I'd
always thought this was mainly for the flux fumes which are carcinogenic.

--
*A backward poet writes inverse.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Sound card to amp?
 

In article ,
Jim H wrote:
I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

My mistake. It seems all lead-free is silver, but not all silver is lead-
free.

I'm not sure what the lead free stuff that's now required on potable water
pipes consists of - or that it's suitable for electronics.

'Real' silver solder is a form of brazing and requires a much greater
heat.

--
*Middle age is when it takes longer to rest than to get tired.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Jim H wrote:
I thought the sort of solder for electrical work that contains a small
amount of silver also contains the usual amount of lead?

My mistake. It seems all lead-free is silver, but not all silver is lead-
free.

I'm not sure what the lead free stuff that's now required on potable water
pipes consists of - or that it's suitable for electronics.

'Real' silver solder is a form of brazing and requires a much greater
heat.

--
*Middle age is when it takes longer to rest than to get tired.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Jim H
wrote:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about
it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes whenever
I need a new cable.

It contains a little silver as well as the usual amount of lead,
doesn't it?

Anyway, the fumes are from flux burning up. I doubt your iron is hot
enough to vaporise lead. Which would, indeed, make a bit of a mess
of your lungs :-)

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Jim H
wrote:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about
it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes whenever
I need a new cable.

It contains a little silver as well as the usual amount of lead,
doesn't it?

Anyway, the fumes are from flux burning up. I doubt your iron is hot
enough to vaporise lead. Which would, indeed, make a bit of a mess
of your lungs :-)

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more from the 'Laurence Payne school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Jim H
wrote:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made
about it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

It contains a little silver as well as the usual amount of lead,
doesn't it?

The stuff I use is lead-free. It was on special offer so hardly more
expensive than 60/40. It contains some small amount of silver (10%). I
quite like using it - Lead free has a lower melting point, so easier to
do large joints without a high power iron.

Anyway, the fumes are from flux burning up. I doubt your iron is hot
enough to vaporise lead. Which would, indeed, make a bit of a mess
of your lungs :-)

Ah, well. If I've heard wrong, it's at least the same.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

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more from the 'Laurence Payne school' of uk.rec.audio-ism:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:32:45 +0000 (UTC), Jim H
wrote:

Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made
about it.

True, but there are also valid resons for it's use. My solder contains
silver because I'd rather not take a lungfull of toxic lead fumes
whenever I need a new cable.

It contains a little silver as well as the usual amount of lead,
doesn't it?

The stuff I use is lead-free. It was on special offer so hardly more
expensive than 60/40. It contains some small amount of silver (10%). I
quite like using it - Lead free has a lower melting point, so easier to
do large joints without a high power iron.

Anyway, the fumes are from flux burning up. I doubt your iron is hot
enough to vaporise lead. Which would, indeed, make a bit of a mess
of your lungs :-)

Ah, well. If I've heard wrong, it's at least the same.

--
Jim H jh
@333
.org

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In article ,
Jim H wrote:
The stuff I use is lead-free. It was on special offer so hardly more
expensive than 60/40. It contains some small amount of silver (10%). I
quite like using it - Lead free has a lower melting point, so easier to
do large joints without a high power iron.

Although lead free is common for mechanical soldering - like copper tube -
I understood the need for it was giving the electronics industry real
headaches. ;-)

--
*A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn