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Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
wrote:
It is impossible to describe the *3D* quality - speech was coming
direct from the actor's mouths (not uncommon, I know)

ITYM from the centre of the speakers.


No! Straight from their mouths on the TV screen - that's the whole
point!! (The TV was close up and off to one side, the speakers much
further back!)

You've lost me now...

It's mono in 99.9% of the progs on TV. If you're hearing it coming
from the actor's mouths, you're fooling yourself.


Yes, of course - that's how it works!! (It's mind over matter! :-)

You/one can normally 'reset' sound by closing your eyes and centering on
it, but my point here is that the illusion won!

Sure you didn't have the TV speaker on too? ;-)



but the rest of the sounds were laid out with perfect separation,
depth and clarity.

Be nice if you mentioned what you were watching.


No idea, if it was live (I normally watch from my hard disk but rarely
watch a whole prog in one go) - if it was last night, could it have
been summat like 'Spooks'..??? (Which I've never seen, but am aware of!)

Ah - right. Yes, It's quite well made, sound wise.



(It
was better than I have ever heard from any 'surround sound'..!!)

Nothing unusual there. I've yet to hear domestic surround which I
prefer to stereo. They all mess up the important bit - the front sound
stage, to some extent. Only one I liked was Ambisonics.


Never heard that myself...

It's impressive. Consists of four full range speakers - one in each corner
of the soundstage, and four others, two each side half way between the
mains with one low, one high. You can move near anywhere within the
boundaries of the speakers without losing image. The setup I heard used
BBC LS 5/8 as the mains and 3/5A as the sides. Requires one amp per
speaker in case that wasn't clear - each fed from the decoder. The demo
material was recorded on a Calrec Soundfield mic which is effectively four
mics in one. Then a matrix to provide the surround. Fiendishly expensive
then for the whole setup, but by far the best I've heard.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
In fact, the sound, which made the Mantovani orchestra instantly
recognisable, and helped to make him the biggest selling artist
in the UK pre Beatles, was down to his arranger Ronald Binge
(the man who is best known for his composition "Elizabethan
Serenade")



Yep, but what put me onto him was the fabulous tune 'Sailing By' that
used to close R4 in the wee small hours, after the Shipping Forecast. A
truly magical experience hearing that late on a balmy summer's night, I
can tell you!.

Except that it's not by him. It's library music - the sort issued for pro
use where you don't buy the actual CD but just pay for the usage. And
played by session musicians. It may of course have been issued
commercially afterwards.




Dave. I have never had the chance to listen to the title you refer to,
but "Sailing By" is a well-known title by Ronald Binge, and according to
the link, it was used by R4 after the shipping forecast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/help/faqs_4.shtml


It may well be that this started out as library music, although I cannot
find it in any of the catalogues I have. The recording copyright
is accredited to EMI.

"Sailing By" is also the title of Ronald Binge's biography by
Mike Carey. It's a most interesting book, and covers in some
detail the Binge/Mantovani relationship.

Iain

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:
It is impossible to describe the *3D* quality - speech was coming
direct from the actor's mouths (not uncommon, I know)

ITYM from the centre of the speakers.


No! Straight from their mouths on the TV screen - that's the whole
point!! (The TV was close up and off to one side, the speakers much
further back!)

You've lost me now...

It's mono in 99.9% of the progs on TV. If you're hearing it coming
from the actor's mouths, you're fooling yourself.


Yes, of course - that's how it works!! (It's mind over matter! :-)

You/one can normally 'reset' sound by closing your eyes and centering on
it, but my point here is that the illusion won!

Sure you didn't have the TV speaker on too? ;-)



Quite certain. The point is that the 'stereo sound' was perfectly preserved
and believable despite the poor position of the TV screen in relation to the
sound sources. This is because the sounds are so 'out of the speakers' and
producing solid/3D images....



No idea, if it was live (I normally watch from my hard disk but rarely
watch a whole prog in one go) - if it was last night, could it have
been summat like 'Spooks'..??? (Which I've never seen, but am aware of!)

Ah - right. Yes, It's quite well made, sound wise.


....and the reason I can't even visualise the screen much (or what was on) is
because I was concentrating on the 'sound picture' from the speakers!

(This was over an done with in so many seconds - it was the act of
*noticing* it that was the revelatory moment....)





(It
was better than I have ever heard from any 'surround sound'..!!)

Nothing unusual there. I've yet to hear domestic surround which I
prefer to stereo. They all mess up the important bit - the front sound
stage, to some extent. Only one I liked was Ambisonics.


Never heard that myself...

It's impressive. Consists of four full range speakers - one in each corner
of the soundstage, and four others, two each side half way between the
mains with one low, one high. You can move near anywhere within the
boundaries of the speakers without losing image. The setup I heard used
BBC LS 5/8 as the mains and 3/5A as the sides. Requires one amp per
speaker in case that wasn't clear - each fed from the decoder. The demo
material was recorded on a Calrec Soundfield mic which is effectively four
mics in one. Then a matrix to provide the surround. Fiendishly expensive
then for the whole setup, but by far the best I've heard.



And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still interest in
it and possibly something of a future for it?

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
In fact, the sound, which made the Mantovani orchestra instantly
recognisable, and helped to make him the biggest selling artist
in the UK pre Beatles, was down to his arranger Ronald Binge
(the man who is best known for his composition "Elizabethan
Serenade")



Yep, but what put me onto him was the fabulous tune 'Sailing By' that
used to close R4 in the wee small hours, after the Shipping Forecast. A
truly magical experience hearing that late on a balmy summer's night, I
can tell you!.

Except that it's not by him. It's library music - the sort issued for pro
use where you don't buy the actual CD but just pay for the usage. And
played by session musicians. It may of course have been issued
commercially afterwards.




Dave. I have never had the chance to listen to the title you refer to,
but "Sailing By" is a well-known title by Ronald Binge, and according to
the link, it was used by R4 after the shipping forecast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/help/faqs_4.shtml




Oh, good to know I wasn't *dreaming* on the countless occasions I sat
through the whole Shipping Forecast in the hope it came on, then! ;-)

It was never *definite* - sometimes they didn't play it. In fact, I believe
they dropped it at one time not so long ago and there was an outcry to have
it reinstated...??


This, cut and pasted from my own Google search:

"Occasionally, Sailing By might not be played at all because of time
constraints. The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:41:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Never heard that myself...

It's impressive. Consists of four full range speakers - one in each corner
of the soundstage, and four others, two each side half way between the
mains with one low, one high. You can move near anywhere within the
boundaries of the speakers without losing image. The setup I heard used
BBC LS 5/8 as the mains and 3/5A as the sides. Requires one amp per
speaker in case that wasn't clear - each fed from the decoder. The demo
material was recorded on a Calrec Soundfield mic which is effectively four
mics in one. Then a matrix to provide the surround. Fiendishly expensive
then for the whole setup, but by far the best I've heard.



And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still interest in
it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it. An
Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:49:39 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
In fact, the sound, which made the Mantovani orchestra instantly
recognisable, and helped to make him the biggest selling artist
in the UK pre Beatles, was down to his arranger Ronald Binge
(the man who is best known for his composition "Elizabethan
Serenade")



Yep, but what put me onto him was the fabulous tune 'Sailing By' that
used to close R4 in the wee small hours, after the Shipping Forecast. A
truly magical experience hearing that late on a balmy summer's night, I
can tell you!.

Except that it's not by him. It's library music - the sort issued for pro
use where you don't buy the actual CD but just pay for the usage. And
played by session musicians. It may of course have been issued
commercially afterwards.




Dave. I have never had the chance to listen to the title you refer to,
but "Sailing By" is a well-known title by Ronald Binge, and according to
the link, it was used by R4 after the shipping forecast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/help/faqs_4.shtml




Oh, good to know I wasn't *dreaming* on the countless occasions I sat
through the whole Shipping Forecast in the hope it came on, then! ;-)

It was never *definite* - sometimes they didn't play it. In fact, I believe
they dropped it at one time not so long ago and there was an outcry to have
it reinstated...??


This, cut and pasted from my own Google search:

"Occasionally, Sailing By might not be played at all because of time
constraints. The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???



But can you remember every folk song in the medley that started the
day? I'll start you with Greensleeves and Early One Morning.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote


"Occasionally, Sailing By might not be played at all because of time
constraints. The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???



But can you remember every folk song in the medley that started the
day? I'll start you with Greensleeves and Early One Morning.



No, but you have reminded me of a very striking bit of music that preceded
transmissions very early in the morning on one station. It was not *unlike*
the music for What The Papers Say and went summat like:

Dadum dum di dum, da da di, da da di da dum....

???

Any idea - it's driving me nuts now!! (Swim thinks it might be Holst...??)

I've also got a hazy memory that it might have been preceded by some pips?
The radio certainly used to go into a 'ready mode' just before the music
stated. All quite exciting in an 'anticipatorial' kinda way!! :-)

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"Don Pearce" wrote


And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still interest
in
it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it. An
Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".



I should certainly like to hear it, but I have no use for 'surround sound'
as such - OK on 1 movie in 10 I suppose, otherwise the wires and speakers
are a pain....

The whole point of struggling with horns and triodes (and the black stuff)
is to get the very best *stereo* effect - when the images become very *real*
and 3D and render 'surround' trickery entirely unnecessary, IMLE...!!

(That said, 80% of my listening is mono, for one reason or another!! :-)

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:49:52 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


"Occasionally, Sailing By might not be played at all because of time
constraints. The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???



But can you remember every folk song in the medley that started the
day? I'll start you with Greensleeves and Early One Morning.



No, but you have reminded me of a very striking bit of music that preceded
transmissions very early in the morning on one station. It was not *unlike*
the music for What The Papers Say and went summat like:

Dadum dum di dum, da da di, da da di da dum....

???

Any idea - it's driving me nuts now!! (Swim thinks it might be Holst...??)

I've also got a hazy memory that it might have been preceded by some pips?
The radio certainly used to go into a 'ready mode' just before the music
stated. All quite exciting in an 'anticipatorial' kinda way!! :-)




Oh, that one! Er - no.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:00:18 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still interest
in
it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it. An
Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".



I should certainly like to hear it, but I have no use for 'surround sound'
as such - OK on 1 movie in 10 I suppose, otherwise the wires and speakers
are a pain....

The whole point of struggling with horns and triodes (and the black stuff)
is to get the very best *stereo* effect - when the images become very *real*
and 3D and render 'surround' trickery entirely unnecessary, IMLE...!!

(That said, 80% of my listening is mono, for one reason or another!! :-)



No it isn't like surround sound - noises coming from behind you and
suchlike. When the Ambisonics is on, all the music still comes from
"over there", but there is a feeling that you are surrounded by the
concert hall rather than your living room.

I suppose it could be used as an effect, but so far what I've heard
does appear to be a serious attempt at true immersion.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com