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"Keith G" wrote in message
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The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available commercially.
..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???

This may no longer be the case (or it was probably re-recorded)
as I had an e-mail from someone who reads (but does not post on)
UKRA who told me that there is a CD of Ronald Binge music, which
includes this, and other well known titles.

The CD is called, (yes you guessed it) "Sailing By"

Iain

PS Just spoken with an old Decca pal, he tells me there is a double
CD of the music of Ronald Binge, on the ASV label. Some titles
are conducted by the composer and some by Charles Gerhardt.
Orchestras a National Philharmonic and South German Radio
Symphony Orch.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available commercially.
..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???

This may no longer be the case (or it was probably re-recorded)
as I had an e-mail from someone who reads (but does not post on)
UKRA who told me that there is a CD of Ronald Binge music, which
includes this, and other well known titles.

The CD is called, (yes you guessed it) "Sailing By"

Iain

PS Just spoken with an old Decca pal, he tells me there is a double
CD of the music of Ronald Binge, on the ASV label. Some titles
are conducted by the composer and some by Charles Gerhardt.
Orchestras a National Philharmonic and South German Radio
Symphony Orch.



Did you not see this link to a pic of my own 'Binge' CD?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Binge.JPG

Note the title of Track 19....

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:00:18 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still
interest
in
it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it. An
Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".



I should certainly like to hear it, but I have no use for 'surround sound'
as such - OK on 1 movie in 10 I suppose, otherwise the wires and speakers
are a pain....

The whole point of struggling with horns and triodes (and the black stuff)
is to get the very best *stereo* effect - when the images become very
*real*
and 3D and render 'surround' trickery entirely unnecessary, IMLE...!!

(That said, 80% of my listening is mono, for one reason or another!! :-)



No it isn't like surround sound - noises coming from behind you and
suchlike. When the Ambisonics is on, all the music still comes from
"over there", but there is a feeling that you are surrounded by the
concert hall rather than your living room.

I suppose it could be used as an effect, but so far what I've heard
does appear to be a serious attempt at true immersion.



OK, but that is the effect I claim you can easily get with V,V & H....

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Did you not see this link to a pic of my own 'Binge' CD?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Binge.JPG

Note the title of Track 19....


Just had a look. Ernest Tomlinson/Slovak Radio Orchestra.
Good pedigree. I suppose you have no way of comparing
this with the version which R4 used?

I would be interested to hear the ASV recording conducted
by the composer (which they must have bought from somewhere
as Ronald Binge died in the early 70s, before ASV came into
existence.

There is also a version conducted by Sidney Torch (he of
Friday Night is Music Night fame) It would be interesting to
hear that also.

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
In fact, the sound, which made the Mantovani orchestra instantly
recognisable, and helped to make him the biggest selling artist
in the UK pre Beatles, was down to his arranger Ronald Binge
(the man who is best known for his composition "Elizabethan
Serenade")



Yep, but what put me onto him was the fabulous tune 'Sailing By' that
used to close R4 in the wee small hours, after the Shipping Forecast.
A truly magical experience hearing that late on a balmy summer's
night, I can tell you!.

Except that it's not by him. It's library music - the sort issued for
pro use where you don't buy the actual CD but just pay for the usage.
And played by session musicians. It may of course have been issued
commercially afterwards.




Dave. I have never had the chance to listen to the title you refer to,
but "Sailing By" is a well-known title by Ronald Binge, and according to
the link, it was used by R4 after the shipping forecast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/help/faqs_4.shtml

You're absolutely correct - I hadn't realised the link between them and
had read it as it being a Mantovani recording.


It may well be that this started out as library music, although I cannot
find it in any of the catalogues I have. The recording copyright
is accredited to EMI.

I came across it while looking for some music for an episode of Rumpole,
so that dates it to the mid '80s. It was already being used by R4, but not
for long at that time.

"Sailing By" is also the title of Ronald Binge's biography by
Mike Carey. It's a most interesting book, and covers in some
detail the Binge/Mantovani relationship.

Right. Can't say I'll rush out and buy it. ;-)

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In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still
interest in it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it.

Like many do - but not the way to get the best results.

An Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

It would need designing in. But worth it if you care about such things.
Plenty now have speakers scattered around the place for surround, so not
really much different.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".

It is impressive.

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Keith G wrote:
No, but you have reminded me of a very striking bit of music that preceded
transmissions very early in the morning on one station. It was not *unlike*
the music for What The Papers Say and went summat like:

Dadum dum di dum, da da di, da da di da dum....

???

Roll out the barrel by the Big Ben Banjo Band?

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???

This may no longer be the case (or it was probably re-recorded)

To the best of my knowledge it's still the library version. It's near
impossible to produce a 'new' version that sounds exactly the same.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
No, but you have reminded me of a very striking bit of music that
preceded
transmissions very early in the morning on one station. It was not
*unlike*
the music for What The Papers Say and went summat like:

Dadum dum di dum, da da di, da da di da dum....

???

Roll out the barrel by the Big Ben Banjo Band?


:-))
But wouldn't that be:
Dum dum, da dum dum, da da di da da di dum?

Iain

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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:14:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
And not dead yet it seems:

http://www.ambisonic.net/gformat.html

I haven't read much of that myself, but it appears there's still
interest in it and possibly something of a future for it?


Stereo you can sort of pop in the corner and forget about it.

Like many do - but not the way to get the best results.


Of course, nobody here would, would they?

An Ambisonics setup takes over the room - not good.

It would need designing in. But worth it if you care about such things.
Plenty now have speakers scattered around the place for surround, so not
really much different.


If there were really signs that ambi was taking off in any big way I
might be tempted. But I'm not going that far for what looks like
strictly a niche right now.

I have heard it, but I'm not sure where; probably at the BBC research
place down at Kingswood Warren. It was certainly the closest I have
ever heard to "being there".

It is impressive.

Yup.

d

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