What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Eeyore wrote:
Serge, no-one is more aware that there's 'nothing new under the
(audio) sun' than me - my amps date back to the 20s and 30s (design)
and my speakers feature drivers that have been in *continuous
production* for the last 50 years in a design probably just as old!!

From what I've heard, they sound like it too !

I can't remember the last single driver pro monitoring speaker, but the
BEEB had gone to a twin unit in the AM only days...

I suspect (almost certain) that if I *bustled* I could have a pair of
LS3/5As here by noon today...

With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a poor
room - they are one of the least position influenced designs. Assuming you
can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long lived.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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I suspect the Ruark Sabres and most Dynaudio Contour models would give them
a good run for their money, but it's interesting that is seems perfectly
acceptable that all these bookshelf (and many/most commercial floorstanders)
need a sub to produce the 'bottom octave' but not so acceptable in the case
of 'FR' single driver speakers...???

Funny that....

What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Roy" x@y wrote in message ...
Keith G wrote:



Miking them thus:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/obspeakers3.JPG

Could I suggest Keith that if you want to demonstrate how the speakers
actually sound you should use a coincident pair at the listening position.
Close miking is for guitar amps.

Roy.



Not at all - the mics are actually *closer* to the piano strings (under the
lid) in all these recordings:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/reco...recordings.htm


Recording the speakers from the listening position in my room is going to be
90% room, 10% speaker - the purpose of the clips was to blot out as much
'room' as I could, while still allowing enough 'backwave' to get to the
mics....

(Last night Swim paused the telly to show me someone - 'Take That'?? - with
a little mic actually clipped to the horn of his sax....)

What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Serge, no-one is more aware that there's 'nothing new under the
(audio) sun' than me - my amps date back to the 20s and 30s (design)
and my speakers feature drivers that have been in *continuous
production* for the last 50 years in a design probably just as old!!

From what I've heard, they sound like it too !

I can't remember the last single driver pro monitoring speaker, but the
BEEB had gone to a twin unit in the AM only days...

I suspect (almost certain) that if I *bustled* I could have a pair of
LS3/5As here by noon today...

With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a poor
room - they are one of the least position influenced designs. Assuming you
can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long lived.

--
*Does fuzzy logic tickle? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.



Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

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Keith G wrote:
Perhaps you're after that radigram 'one note bass' sound? It's what
often happens with open back enclosures. ;-)

IOW, the jury's not even been selected yet.....

Make sure it's twelve men good and true.


I have only recorded two CDs from the speakers and so don't have too
much to choose from, but these two clips are enough to tell me the bass
isn't the least bit 'one-note':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2004.mp3

I dunno the recording, but there's a vast difference in the level of the
tymps.

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2005.mp3


Or that there's any shortage of nice 'top end':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2008.mp3

Sounds anything but 'clean' to me. And what's the 'heartbeat?


Or clarity and detail...???

What am I missing? - The more I listen to these clips, the more I'm
liking the sound...

Each to their own. Were these clips off vinyl?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a
poor room - they are one of the least position influenced designs.
Assuming you can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long
lived.

First, any chance of configuring your newsreader so it removes sigs?


I suspect the Ruark Sabres and most Dynaudio Contour models would give
them a good run for their money, but it's interesting that is seems
perfectly acceptable that all these bookshelf (and many/most commercial
floorstanders) need a sub to produce the 'bottom octave' but not so
acceptable in the case of 'FR' single driver speakers...???

Only if it lives up to its title of 'full range'. But then you've still
got the problem of the top end.

--
*I took an IQ test and the results were negative.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
(Last night Swim paused the telly to show me someone - 'Take That'?? -
with a little mic actually clipped to the horn of his sax....)

Common way of doing things if they're going to prance around, or you're
struggling for seperation. Better than no sax at all which is the
alternative in that sort of gig situation. But not ideal mic placement.
You'll often see mics clipped to violins etc too. Even worse solution.

--
*I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few*

Dave Plowman London SW
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What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

I can't see you liking them. Apart from the known upper bass tip up they
give a pretty uncoloured sound.

--
*If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make terrible?

Dave Plowman London SW
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What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Perhaps you're after that radigram 'one note bass' sound? It's what
often happens with open back enclosures. ;-)

IOW, the jury's not even been selected yet.....

Make sure it's twelve men good and true.


I have only recorded two CDs from the speakers and so don't have too
much to choose from, but these two clips are enough to tell me the bass
isn't the least bit 'one-note':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2004.mp3

I dunno the recording, but there's a vast difference in the level of the
tymps.

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2005.mp3


Or that there's any shortage of nice 'top end':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Sample%2008.mp3

Sounds anything but 'clean' to me. And what's the 'heartbeat?


It's a French 'test CD' and nothing to scream about and the amp (Chinese
300B) is a bit 'bronchial' atm at close quarters - not a problem in normal
listening. Suggest summat fairly commonplace and I'll use it for the LS 3/5A
comparisons or email me a .wav up to 10 Meg and I'll burn it to disk.

I think/hope the 'heartbeat' (right channel only?) is in the ss/digital
domain, I use the pre side of an ss amp for 'control' - I don't think it's
on the recording/computer side, but will confirm that for myself later....




Or clarity and detail...???

What am I missing? - The more I listen to these clips, the more I'm
liking the sound...

Each to their own. Were these clips off vinyl?


No, CDs played on a Pioneer DVDP...




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Dave Plowman London SW
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What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a
poor room - they are one of the least position influenced designs.
Assuming you can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long
lived.

First, any chance of configuring your newsreader so it removes sigs?


No way that I know of, or I would have done it years ago!




I suspect the Ruark Sabres and most Dynaudio Contour models would give
them a good run for their money, but it's interesting that is seems
perfectly acceptable that all these bookshelf (and many/most commercial
floorstanders) need a sub to produce the 'bottom octave' but not so
acceptable in the case of 'FR' single driver speakers...???

Only if it lives up to its title of 'full range'. But then you've still
got the problem of the top end.


I've had any number of modern, reputed, 'ferrofluid' tweeters here and even
Coles 'supertweeters - I do not think the top end of the FR drivers lacks
anything of importance. The phrase 'fullrange' is supposed to refer to
'audible limits', not the theoretical limits of flat signal
reproduction/amplification/response...



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*I took an IQ test and the results were negative.

Dave Plowman London SW
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What do you do with a *lively* room?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

I can't see you liking them. Apart from the known upper bass tip up they
give a pretty uncoloured sound.



They are here, their owner (audiophile *weapons grade* EE) is comparing the
OBs with the Fidelios as I type, on his own music. I have charged him to
choose the *best* speaker as they stand. He is already 'impressed' with the
OBs...??

(The milkman couldn't make it - he told me to FO, he's too busy..... ;-)

I will report the verdict later.



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*If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make terrible?

Dave Plowman London SW
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