"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

I can't see you liking them. Apart from the known upper bass tip up they
give a pretty uncoloured sound.



They are here, their owner (audiophile *weapons grade* EE) is comparing
the OBs with the Fidelios as I type, on his own music. I have charged him
to choose the *best* speaker as they stand. He is already 'impressed' with
the OBs...??

(The milkman couldn't make it - he told me to FO, he's too busy..... ;-)

I will report the verdict later.



OK, here's the setup for a quick lark about:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/LSsetup.JPG


And here's a 'one blends into the other' combi clip:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/combisound.mp3


Now, the question is which one sounds best - first or last?

(Actually, it isn't, but there ya go... ;-)

"Keith G" wrote


OK, here's the setup for a quick lark about:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/LSsetup.JPG



And in walks Swim with a mint 1981 LP called 'Hear This' (Discourses CRD
1052) by Bob Auger about recording and microphone placement!!

(Feck, you couldn't *script* it....!! :-))

On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:56:23 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

I can't see you liking them. Apart from the known upper bass tip up they
give a pretty uncoloured sound.



They are here, their owner (audiophile *weapons grade* EE) is comparing
the OBs with the Fidelios as I type, on his own music. I have charged him
to choose the *best* speaker as they stand. He is already 'impressed' with
the OBs...??

(The milkman couldn't make it - he told me to FO, he's too busy..... ;-)

I will report the verdict later.



OK, here's the setup for a quick lark about:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/LSsetup.JPG


And here's a 'one blends into the other' combi clip:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/combisound.mp3


Now, the question is which one sounds best - first or last?

(Actually, it isn't, but there ya go... ;-)




First one sounds better here, but two things make it tricky - first
the recordings sound really different - mic/speaker relationship, that
is, and secondly there is absolutely no bass (not even upper bass) in
the tune, so your OBs would have no reason to be troubled by it.
Anything a bit more broadband to hand - something orchestral, maybe?

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:56:23 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Well, I didn't bustle but the LS3/5As will arrive here 2-2:30....

It will be interesting to see how they compare on a 'no sub either
way'
basis, so there'll be some more recording done this coming week....

I can't see you liking them. Apart from the known upper bass tip up
they
give a pretty uncoloured sound.



They are here, their owner (audiophile *weapons grade* EE) is comparing
the OBs with the Fidelios as I type, on his own music. I have charged
him
to choose the *best* speaker as they stand. He is already 'impressed'
with
the OBs...??

(The milkman couldn't make it - he told me to FO, he's too busy..... ;-)

I will report the verdict later.



OK, here's the setup for a quick lark about:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/LSsetup.JPG


And here's a 'one blends into the other' combi clip:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/combisound.mp3


Now, the question is which one sounds best - first or last?

(Actually, it isn't, but there ya go... ;-)




First one sounds better here, but two things make it tricky - first
the recordings sound really different - mic/speaker relationship, that
is, and secondly there is absolutely no bass (not even upper bass) in
the tune, so your OBs would have no reason to be troubled by it.
Anything a bit more broadband to hand - something orchestral, maybe?



Don, I'm just out the door for a while now. I didn't pick that track or even
*do* the recordings (other than set the mics up and start SF off) - it was
the chap who owns the LS3/5s (and the CD)! I let him play (dead keen), but
he was struggling with the different sound levels!!

(Not so easy after all, eh? ;-)

I'll do summat a bit more meaningful with better mic placement (it didn't
move from what you see in the pic) and level matching in due course, I have
the LS3/5s for a week now....

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

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Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Eeyore wrote:
Serge, no-one is more aware that there's 'nothing new under the
(audio) sun' than me - my amps date back to the 20s and 30s (design)
and my speakers feature drivers that have been in *continuous
production* for the last 50 years in a design probably just as old!!

From what I've heard, they sound like it too !

I can't remember the last single driver pro monitoring speaker, but the
BEEB had gone to a twin unit in the AM only days...

I suspect (almost certain) that if I *bustled* I could have a pair of
LS3/5As here by noon today...

With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a poor
room - they are one of the least position influenced designs. Assuming you
can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long lived.

You can get a modern equivalent ( almost identical in fact but slightly
'improved' AIUI ) from PMC.

I've heard some PMCs and they're *stonkingly* good.

Graham

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Serge, no-one is more aware that there's 'nothing new under the
(audio) sun' than me - my amps date back to the 20s and 30s (design)
and my speakers feature drivers that have been in *continuous
production* for the last 50 years in a design probably just as old!!

From what I've heard, they sound like it too !

I can't remember the last single driver pro monitoring speaker, but the
BEEB had gone to a twin unit in the AM only days...

If Keith's into 'point source' why not use a coax driver and a first over
Butterworth crossover ( or a 4th order Linkwitz-Riley ) ?

Graham

Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Serge, no-one is more aware that there's 'nothing new under the
(audio) sun' than me - my amps date back to the 20s and 30s (design)
and my speakers feature drivers that have been in *continuous
production* for the last 50 years in a design probably just as old!!

From what I've heard, they sound like it too !

I can't remember the last single driver pro monitoring speaker, but the
BEEB had gone to a twin unit in the AM only days...

I suspect (almost certain) that if I *bustled* I could have a pair of
LS3/5As here by noon today...

With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a poor
room - they are one of the least position influenced designs. Assuming you
can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long lived.

--
*Does fuzzy logic tickle? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I suspect the Ruark Sabres and most Dynaudio Contour models would give them
a good run for their money, but it's interesting that is seems perfectly
acceptable that all these bookshelf (and many/most commercial floorstanders)
need a sub to produce the 'bottom octave' but not so acceptable in the case
of 'FR' single driver speakers...???

Funny that....

Not really.

It's the *HF* where single drivers really fall over.

Graham

Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
Keith G wrote:
With a decent sub properly 'crossed over' they take some beating in a
poor room - they are one of the least position influenced designs.
Assuming you can find a pair still within spec. They aren't that long
lived.

First, any chance of configuring your newsreader so it removes sigs?

No way that I know of, or I would have done it years ago!

I suspect the Ruark Sabres and most Dynaudio Contour models would give
them a good run for their money, but it's interesting that is seems
perfectly acceptable that all these bookshelf (and many/most commercial
floorstanders) need a sub to produce the 'bottom octave' but not so
acceptable in the case of 'FR' single driver speakers...???

Only if it lives up to its title of 'full range'. But then you've still
got the problem of the top end.

I've had any number of modern, reputed, 'ferrofluid' tweeters here and even
Coles 'supertweeters - I do not think the top end of the FR drivers lacks
anything of importance.

AHEM ! Where do your ears' HF response finish ?


The phrase 'fullrange' is supposed to refer to
'audible limits', not the theoretical limits of flat signal
reproduction/amplification/response...

No it doesn't.

Try a leaf or ribbon tweeter btw.

Graham

Don, I'm just out the door for a while now. I didn't pick that track or even
*do* the recordings (other than set the mics up and start SF off) - it was
the chap who owns the LS3/5s (and the CD)! I let him play (dead keen), but
he was struggling with the different sound levels!!

(Not so easy after all, eh? ;-)

I'll do summat a bit more meaningful with better mic placement (it didn't
move from what you see in the pic) and level matching in due course, I have
the LS3/5s for a week now....




Take it your driving them with a proper amplifier not one of these
Chinese SETI thingies?...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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Don, I'm just out the door for a while now. I didn't pick that track or
even
*do* the recordings (other than set the mics up and start SF off) - it was
the chap who owns the LS3/5s (and the CD)! I let him play (dead keen), but
he was struggling with the different sound levels!!

(Not so easy after all, eh? ;-)

I'll do summat a bit more meaningful with better mic placement (it didn't
move from what you see in the pic) and level matching in due course, I
have
the LS3/5s for a week now....




Take it your driving them with a proper amplifier not one of these
Chinese SETI thingies?...



Why, can't they *take it*....???

:-)