In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got
on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much
of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important.

Funny but both our cars sound fine!..

I wonder if they would do round my test route...


Which is where exactly?..

Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure
the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess
than on most music.

But since you were rude about my hearing it's possible you're not
listening for the same things...;-)

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got
on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much
of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important.

Funny but both our cars sound fine!..

I wonder if they would do round my test route...


Which is where exactly?..

Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure
the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess
than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..


But since you were rude about my hearing it's possible you're not
listening for the same things...;-)

Rude moi?, if I was being rude I'd use a totally different choice of
words....
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Tony Sayer

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..
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Tony Sayer

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..

What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London).
In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the
time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't
remember what, but maybe 93.0.

I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in
a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip
Hop mode. DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of
having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I
know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are
inconsequential in a car.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee
has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the
receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into
Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on
speech is easier to assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long
I'll have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common -
easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not
tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..

Of course - hence the comment above about tuning to Wrotham.

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In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in
a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip
Hop mode. DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of
having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I
know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are
inconsequential in a car.

Phew. And I thought I was on my own...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..

What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London).
In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the
time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't
remember what, but maybe 93.0.


There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like
a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!..

I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in
a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip
Hop mode.

Give them time;!.....

DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of
having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I
know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are
inconsequential in a car.


Like Mono?..

d


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Tony Sayer

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..

What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London).
In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the
time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't
remember what, but maybe 93.0.


There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like
a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!..

Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my
car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps.

I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in
a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip
Hop mode.

Give them time;!.....

DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of
having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I
know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are
inconsequential in a car.


Like Mono?..


Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo
in the car anyway.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has
I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver
distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't
cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to
assess than on most music.


I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll
have a wander round that area..

Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy
parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the
new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid.


Noted....


Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?..

What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London).
In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the
time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't
remember what, but maybe 93.0.


There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like
a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!..

Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my
car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps.

Apparently thats not supposed to happen. I'll see if I can remember
where it is, its on line somewhere!...


I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in
a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip
Hop mode.

Give them time;!.....

DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of
having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I
know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are
inconsequential in a car.


Like Mono?..


Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo
in the car anyway.


Blimey!, What stations do you listen to then?..
d


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Tony Sayer