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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote ...
Keith G wrote:
I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?

I know you've put it in parenthesis, but a genuine
valve CD player would be the size of a house...

And a single tube/valve CD player would consume more
power than all the CFLs in the British Isles are saving. :-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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Keith G wrote:
I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?

I know you've put it in parenthesis, but a genuine valve
CD player would be the size of a house...

It might be larger, and would have so many tubes that it many never actually
have enough good tubes in place to work.

There might also be some problems with data rates. Tubed computers never got
real fast.

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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?

Yes, so what?


So, do you think they sound *better*?

Yes, everything sounds *better* to me with audible noise and
distortion added in. ;-)


It actually *does* though, doesn't it?

:-)

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Richard Crowley wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote ...
Keith G wrote:
I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?

I know you've put it in parenthesis, but a genuine
valve CD player would be the size of a house...

And a single tube/valve CD player would consume more
power than all the CFLs in the British Isles are saving. :-)

I dunno. With a sigma-delta system, the main switch and the integrator
and analogue section are all that you'd have to use tubes for. You
could argue the constant voltage source had to be tubed as well, but
the digital side could be all solid state.

Doing this you could probably do the whole thing in fewer than a dozen
tubes, but the main switch would need to have very wide bandwidth and
a nice square switching waveform. Frame grid tubes wouldn't cut it,
gas tubes are way too slow. You might be borderline for a nuvistor.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote ...
Keith G wrote:
I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?

I know you've put it in parenthesis, but a genuine
valve CD player would be the size of a house...

And a single tube/valve CD player would consume more
power than all the CFLs in the British Isles are saving. :-)

I dunno. With a sigma-delta system, the main switch and the
integrator
and analogue section are all that you'd have to use tubes for. You
could argue the constant voltage source had to be tubed as well, but
the digital side could be all solid state.

Doing this you could probably do the whole thing in fewer than a dozen
tubes, but the main switch would need to have very wide bandwidth and
a nice square switching waveform. Frame grid tubes wouldn't cut it,
gas tubes are way too slow. You might be borderline for a nuvistor.

But it takes the equivalent of thousands of transistors
just for the motor drivers, head positioning, fine pickup
position servos, etc. etc. Surely doing all that "housekeeping"
stuff with nice warm-sounding tubes will improve the sound
of the output. And, of course, you need a good incandescent
light source, properly filtered and focused, to put some
"life" into those ones and zeroes that are being read off the
spinning disc. :-)

There is more computing power in my optical mouse than
in any of the tube-based computers.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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I meant have you heard a 'tubed' CD player?
Yes, so what?
So, do you think they sound *better*?

Better than what?
Do you think they all sound the same?

MrT.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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So, do you think they sound *better*?

Yes, everything sounds *better* to me with audible noise and
distortion added in. ;-)

It actually *does* though, doesn't it?

Once again you forgot to add the important "In YOUR opinion".

Oh wait, you haven't looked up the definition of opinion yet.

MrT.

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In rec.audio.tech Keith G wrote:

"Colin B." wrote


I'd suggest that this isn't a recent phenomenon. I've got plenty of
pop
vinyl from the 1970s and 1980s that has roughly no dynamics.

Yep, you bought it so *they* kept on supplying it - same thing's
happening today, apparently. Where's the problem?

Yep. Some of it I did, and when I was under 12 years old, I didn't notice
the difference. That doesn't mean that it's their moral perogative to
contiue producing crap.

Much of it I've picked up recently, for $0.50 per album at garage sales
and used record shops. On a whim, I got Kim Carnes' "Mistaken Identity"
tossed in when I bought a turntable a while back. Thing is about 0.03db
between the loudest and quietest passages. Horrible to listen to.

Compressed audio like 'Classic FM' on a car radio works very well,
actually....

True, car audio is a different beast in many ways. Many of my favorite
albums (on CD, that is) don't come with me in the car, because the volume
I need to listen to 70% of them makes the remaining 30% painfully loud.
But they sound brilliant at home.

Colin

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"Colin B." wrote in message
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In rec.audio.tech Keith G wrote:

I did, but it was a long time ago...



"Colin B." wrote


I'd suggest that this isn't a recent phenomenon. I've got plenty of
pop
vinyl from the 1970s and 1980s that has roughly no dynamics.

Yep, you bought it so *they* kept on supplying it - same thing's
happening today, apparently. Where's the problem?

Yep. Some of it I did, and when I was under 12 years old, I didn't
notice
the difference. That doesn't mean that it's their moral perogative to
contiue producing crap.


The equation is a simple one - if crap is bought, then crap will be
produced...


Much of it I've picked up recently, for $0.50 per album at garage
sales
and used record shops. On a whim, I got Kim Carnes' "Mistaken
Identity"
tossed in when I bought a turntable a while back. Thing is about
0.03db
between the loudest and quietest passages. Horrible to listen to.


The days of good 'threefers' and 'forfers' (charity shop 'bundled vinyl'
offers) are gone. Worthwhile vinyl is a few quid a slice now and no
longer peanuts off Fleabay, what with the postage, these days...



Compressed audio like 'Classic FM' on a car radio works very well,
actually....

True, car audio is a different beast in many ways. Many of my favorite
albums (on CD, that is) don't come with me in the car, because the
volume
I need to listen to 70% of them makes the remaining 30% painfully
loud.


That's a *ding*....

:-)

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In rec.audio.tech Keith G wrote:

"Colin B." wrote in message
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In rec.audio.tech Keith G wrote:

I did, but it was a long time ago...

I know. I've been on holidays for three weeks. :-)

"Colin B." wrote

I'd suggest that this isn't a recent phenomenon. I've got plenty of
pop
vinyl from the 1970s and 1980s that has roughly no dynamics.

Yep, you bought it so *they* kept on supplying it - same thing's
happening today, apparently. Where's the problem?

Yep. Some of it I did, and when I was under 12 years old, I didn't
notice
the difference. That doesn't mean that it's their moral perogative to
contiue producing crap.

The equation is a simple one - if crap is bought, then crap will be
produced...

The equation is even simpler than that: Companies will do as little as
possible to make a profit. Quality costs money. As long as they can find
a way of selling things without 'wasting' money on quality, they will.

Or even simpler: Companies suck.

The days of good 'threefers' and 'forfers' (charity shop 'bundled vinyl'
offers) are gone. Worthwhile vinyl is a few quid a slice now and no
longer peanuts off Fleabay, what with the postage, these days...

Nah. I've picked up a handful of good cheap vinyl, but it's harder to find.
Got "Twisting by the Pool" a few months ago for a buck, and it had hardly
been played. Good sound all 'round. For half a buck or so, I can take a few
risks to get a worthwhile album now and then.

As often as not these days though, I find that I'll download a decent MP3
of a remastered album before deciding whether or not to buy it. I don't
think I've bought an album without hearing it in a few years now, except
for concert albums. (Although I'm really kicking myself for not buying an
album I heard in a record store in central Holland a few weeks ago, because
I can't find it available anywhere in North America, now that I'm back
home).

Colin