"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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Loads of turntables and arms about, and a guy selling vinyl to happy
users. Valves accounted for about half the amplification. Box
speakers
for almost all the speakers - what happened to all the electroctatics
and ribbons? Ribbons, of course, as tweeters were quite common. Pinsh
had a longer ribbon which sounded rather nice.

[snip and change in quoting level]


Thanks for that Andy, it was most interesting, but I'm sure you are
mistaken about the percentage of valve amps and the vinyl stuff

Don't know why they should. I see no reason to doubt what Andy
reported
about how much valve/vinyl there was at the show. I wonder what
fraction of
the population of the UK went to the show, or displayed there,
though...
or have even heard of such events... :-)


-
anybody here will tell you they are both in a tiny majority and only
of
interest to a few *deranged* anacrophiles....

Afraid I can only "tell you" that in the last decade or more, when I
ask
people, in general, almost no-one has any interest in either valves or
vinyl - or indeed has much interest in audio/hifi. Many are aware that
vinyl LP is still around, but have no LPs or way to play them. Most
I've
asked seem puzzled that anyone is still using valve equipment for
domestic
audio. Exception being for guitar amps.

There are some people who are very interested, but they don't seem to
me to
be a very high fraction of the UK population. I'll ask my undergrad
classes
again this year, though, and see if there is any change from recent
years.
But I suspect most will be using CD or MP3 players for music, and have
no
real interest in 'hifi' or 'audio' as such, let alone valve or vinyl.

If someone has some well-researched figures for what fraction of the
UK
*do* use valves and/or vinyl for home audio I'd be interested.
Particularly
if the figures can distinguish audio enthusiasts from guitar players
or
people who use such for 'fashion' or 'niche' reasons like dance/DJ
uses.



Good old Jimbo - unfailingly reliable when it comes to telling the
*gourmet* occupants of this 'audio restaurant' what tonnage of
MacDonald's 'Beefburgers' and 'Turkey Twizzlers' are beiing shifted
around the globe....

:-)

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:41:09 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


Good old Jimbo - unfailingly reliable when it comes to telling the
*gourmet* occupants of this 'audio restaurant' what tonnage of
MacDonald's 'Beefburgers' and 'Turkey Twizzlers' are beiing shifted
around the globe....

:-)




He's not doing that. He's seeing a bunch of people paying sharks huge
amounts of money to go foraging on a scrap heap, and shouting "hey,
the gourmet restaurants out here are actually much cheaper".

;-)

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:41:09 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


Good old Jimbo - unfailingly reliable when it comes to telling the
*gourmet* occupants of this 'audio restaurant' what tonnage of
MacDonald's 'Beefburgers' and 'Turkey Twizzlers' are beiing shifted
around the globe....

:-)




He's not doing that. He's seeing a bunch of people paying sharks huge
amounts of money to go foraging on a scrap heap, and shouting "hey,
the gourmet restaurants out here are actually much cheaper".

;-)



It's nothing to do with money - Jim appears (to me, at least) much more
concerned with the *percentages* of the people who use valves and vinyl.
(Like what the Great Unwashed does has anything to do with being right
about anything or, perish the thought, knowing what's best...!!!) If you
permit the equation of eBay secondhand analogue with Tesco electronics
prices there are equals at every price point from genuine bargain to
serious rip-off in both analogue/digital, valves and SS, in my book!

(FWIW, the only person in my immediate circle who *doesn't* play vinyl
records is my youngest son - and he doesn't seem to have the time to do
anything these days!! ;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message


Good old Jimbo - unfailingly reliable when it comes to
telling the *gourmet* occupants of this 'audio
restaurant' what tonnage of MacDonald's 'Beefburgers' and
'Turkey Twizzlers' are beiing shifted around the globe....

Who says that tubes and vinyl are gourmet fare? Virtually all of the tubes
and vinyl that were in use in the day of, have been scrapped on the grounds
of being inferior for practical use by music lovers.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message


Good old Jimbo - unfailingly reliable when it comes to
telling the *gourmet* occupants of this 'audio
restaurant' what tonnage of MacDonald's 'Beefburgers' and
'Turkey Twizzlers' are beiing shifted around the globe....

Who says that tubes and vinyl are gourmet fare? Virtually all of the
tubes and vinyl that were in use in the day of, have been scrapped on
the grounds of being inferior for practical use by music lovers.



You appear to be remarkably ill-informed, Arny - never mind the Chinese
and Russians developing and manufacturing new 'tubes'; didn't your own
Western Electric company restart production recently...??

If someone has some well-researched figures for what fraction of the UK
*do* use valves and/or vinyl for home audio I'd be interested. Particularly
if the figures can distinguish audio enthusiasts from guitar players or
people who use such for 'fashion' or 'niche' reasons like dance/DJ uses.


Such figures would indeed be interesting - I'm sure valve users would
like to know more about the user base, because it would aid in
assessing whether the price of NOS valves is likely to rise or fall -
there are quite a few collectors out there. Probably the same with
vinyl collectors.