"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote


Mic very close to speaker, yes?


Yes, the usual - about 9 inches, but not the usual mics.


And not directly in line with the
tweeter.


Correct - about in line with the bass units. (It was the *slam* I was
after!)

This means that what you recorded will probably sound quite
unrepresentive
of what the sound is like out in the room.


Absolutely right.

When I post soundclips they are mostly (usually only) for Don's benefit
as few other have ever commented. I know he is a capable and experienced
listener and can probably *hear through* the obvious
artifacts/distortions. (It normally takes 3 or 4 passes for most people
to break down the *strangeness* of a new 'sound!) But the fact is he's a
*subwoofer user* and I'm not; I have never been able to tolerate one for
more than a few minutes - I don't even use one for movies! Don and I
would never choose the same system - not for vinyl, at least....

(I can and do use 'blameless audio' for radio and movies most of the
time... ;-)




That's *on paper* - anybody/everybody knows you get much better
*phat*
slam in the real world from vinyl!! (This is about *sound* - not
*signal*; you can forget the figures when it comes to hosing the
actual
noise about..!! :-)

You can certainly ignore the figures, or be ignorant of them, or have
no
idea how to interpret what they mean... I don't think that "everybody"
falls into that category, though, although it may be true of many...
:-)


:-)

Even the manufacturers throw the figures out when it comes to
engineering a little 'cut and lift' in here and there to create a
*sound* do they not...??

"Keith G" wrote


(I can and do use 'blameless audio' for radio and movies most of the
time... ;-)


Er, scrub that - I've just cut Johnny WAD (32Watt KT88 PP amp) into the
equation (rainy day fiddling, like you do) and I foresee changes coming!
On the IMFs with a CD on, it's just kicked the Technics' scrawny (100W?)
SS arse into the weeds! Talk about *adding life* to the procedings - and
no wonder some [1] say a single 'valve Watt' is worth at least *two* 'SS
Watts'..!!

:-)


[1] Actually, the last person to say that to me was L*n Gr*gory, the
Cartridge Man, but let's not go there....!!

On Oct 16, 7:33 am, "Keith G" wrote:
"Keith G" wrote

(I can and do use 'blameless audio' for radio and movies most of the
time... ;-)

Er, scrub that - I've just cut Johnny WAD (32Watt KT88 PP amp) into the
equation (rainy day fiddling, like you do) and I foresee changes coming!
On the IMFs with a CD on, it's just kicked the Technics' scrawny (100W?)
SS arse into the weeds! Talk about *adding life* to the procedings - and
no wonder some [1] say a single 'valve Watt' is worth at least *two* 'SS
Watts'..!!

:-)

[1] Actually, the last person to say that to me was L*n Gr*gory, the
Cartridge Man, but let's not go there....!!

Phil is right about you, Keith. You're a limp Brit wimp, just like
those pretenders at WAD. Real tubies build real valve amp kits, like
my Velleman K4000, three EL34 per side for 18W in Class A and 101W in
Class B (measured, they claim only 16/96W). Now that is an amp that
leaves hairy footprints. And no cheap pseudo-Chinese **** either. When
you've paid for a K4000, you know your wallet hurts because the K4000
left hairy footprints on it.

Andre Jute

PS The K4000 sounds great too, especially in Class A, and in Class B
is a monster driver for any loudspeaker that can put out decent bass.
Velleman's K4000 leaves not only any solid state amp for dead, but a
lot of precious "golden ear" legends as well, and it does it with such
power and style that this jekyll and hyde of an amp is a superior
match for the refined Quad ESL-63 even on the most revealing music of
all, voices a capella.

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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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Phil is right about you, Keith. You're a limp Brit wimp, just like
those pretenders at WAD. Real tubies build real valve amp kits, like
my Velleman K4000, three EL34 per side for 18W in Class A and 101W in
Class B (measured, they claim only 16/96W). Now that is an amp that
leaves hairy footprints. And no cheap pseudo-Chinese **** either. When
you've paid for a K4000, you know your wallet hurts because the K4000
left hairy footprints on it.

Andre. Phil is no more right about Keith than he is about Jim, Don, Nick,
Patrick or anyone else that he attempted to defame over the years.

Phil has the social skills of a raccoon. Most of what he posts to Usenet is
comprised of cut and paste expletives . Every now and again, he
seems to emerge from severe dysfunctionality and does post something
of great interest. Such occurrences are becoming rarer.

Interesting you should mention the Velleman. It is indeed a good sounding
amp. It is a long time since I have seen a K4000, but I seem to recollect
it had four EL34's in push pull parallel per side.

It seems as though the K4000 is discontinued.
I listened to a 4040 not too long ago, with a pair of splendid Tannoy
Canterbury
SE speakers. Very pleasing indeed. The amp was running far below its full
power potential. The noise floor was exceptionally low. Later, a quick
look on the bench revealed the noise floor to be 100µV, so a
SNR of 105dB and at 96W, the THD was only 0.1%

The Belgians know how to make more than just chocolates:-)

Regards
Iain

"Iain Cherchus"

"Andre Jute"

Phil is right about you, Keith. You're a limp Brit wimp, just like


Andre. Phil is no more right about Keith than he is about Jim, Don, Nick,
Patrick


** I am 100 % right about each of those dangerous morons.

I am also 100 % right about the Iain Cherchus autistic criminal.

Shooting would be far too kind for the likes of him.





........ Phil

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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Phil is right about you, Keith. You're a limp Brit wimp, just like
those pretenders at WAD. Real tubies build real valve amp kits, like
my Velleman K4000, three EL34 per side for 18W in Class A and 101W in
Class B (measured, they claim only 16/96W). Now that is an amp that
leaves hairy footprints. And no cheap pseudo-Chinese **** either.
When
you've paid for a K4000, you know your wallet hurts because the K4000
left hairy footprints on it.

Andre. Phil is no more right about Keith than he is about Jim, Don,
Nick,
Patrick or anyone else that he attempted to defame over the years.


??

Don't tell me I've become a *topic* amongst the Binned? :-)

Anyway, Iain - you do me too much honour to include me with such august
company! I'm only a dabbler who can't/won't commit the few remaining
active braincells I have left to serious *techy* stuff - I need them for
complex tasks like eating toast and tying my shoelaces....



Phil has the social skills of a raccoon. Most of what he posts to
Usenet is
comprised of cut and paste expletives . Every now and again, he
seems to emerge from severe dysfunctionality and does post something
of great interest. Such occurrences are becoming rarer.


The only mildly interesting thing about that clown's posts is the wacky
layout he uses to try and disguise the *seriously tedious* content (or
lack thereof)....

"Keith G"

( snip self serving abuse & utter ****wit verbal diarrhoea )



** Unlike the Cherchus criminal pedo - Keith G is worth at least one
bullet to the cranium.

On the principle that any defective, dumb animals should be put out of their
misery a quickly as possible .


Baaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh ....





....... Phil

On Oct 19, 12:11 am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote

Phil is right about you, Keith. You're a limp Brit wimp, just like
those pretenders at WAD. Real tubies build real valve amp kits, like
my Velleman K4000, three EL34 per side for 18W in Class A and 101W in
Class B (measured, they claim only 16/96W). Now that is an amp that
leaves hairy footprints. And no cheap pseudo-Chinese **** either. When
you've paid for a K4000, you know your wallet hurts because the K4000
left hairy footprints on it.

Andre. Phil is no more right about Keith than he is about Jim, Don, Nick,
Patrick or anyone else that he attempted to defame over the years.

Phil has the social skills of a raccoon. Most of what he posts to Usenet is
comprised of cut and paste expletives . Every now and again, he
seems to emerge from severe dysfunctionality and does post something
of great interest. Such occurrences are becoming rarer.

Phil can stand up for himself, and so can that sturdy builders'
friend, Keith, a biker and clearly not a "limp Brit wimp".

Too bad my little joke misfired.

Andre Jute
Can't win 'em all. Shouldn't even try. Zero failure equals zero risk
equals a chap who's given up.

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


You can certainly ignore the figures, or be ignorant of them, or have
no idea how to interpret what they mean... I don't think that
"everybody" falls into that category, though, although it may be true
of many...
:-)


:-)

Even the manufacturers throw the figures out when it comes to
engineering a little 'cut and lift' in here and there to create a
*sound* do they not...??

Yes, some makers do indeed choose to alter the sound you will get in
deliberate ways. Other may do so without having any clear idea what they
are doing. :-) But that does not mean they all do this, nor intend it. Nor
may the results be what those who made a recording intended.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


You can certainly ignore the figures, or be ignorant of them, or
have
no idea how to interpret what they mean... I don't think that
"everybody" falls into that category, though, although it may be
true
of many...
:-)


:-)

Even the manufacturers throw the figures out when it comes to
engineering a little 'cut and lift' in here and there to create a
*sound* do they not...??

Yes, some makers do indeed choose to alter the sound you will get in
deliberate ways. Other may do so without having any clear idea what
they
are doing. :-) But that does not mean they all do this, nor intend it.
Nor
may the results be what those who made a recording intended.


The minute you touch the Tone Controls (or Volume Control, come to that)
you start to *tailor* the music to your own requirements....