"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Fleetie" wrote in message
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After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying
one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

Why has this group been taken over by a bunch of Aussies? You have
your
own newsgroup, aus.hi-fi, and you're literally on the other side of
the
planet, so, just, WHY?


Because, deep down, all Aussies are still 'Brits at heart' - albeit
descended from low-life, 'East End' criminal scum!! :-)



It's not even like your message was cross-posted to both groups!
You're
in oz-land, yet you deliberately just posted to uk.rec.audio. WHY?


Because there is no-one in the Land Of The Waller B who know a bloody
thing about *audio*...!! ;-)



Scrub all that - one of 'ems just lobbed a 500 quid bid on me Trio effem
chooner!*

(*Salt of the earth* those Aussies!! ;-)


*Didn't get it though - looks like it's gone to someone who wants to
collect, thank Gawd!!

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:

"max graff" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with
the fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Why?

**MC carts require either a significantly well damped arm, or one with
extremely rigid arm tube and well constructed bearings. The one exception,
IME, has been a carbon fibre arm, which appears to possess adequate internal
damping. For the record: The venerable Rega RB300 is entirely suitable for
MC (and MM) carts.

Trevor Wilson

"max graff" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 28, 4:19 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"max graff" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with
the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

Thanks Trev. Your suggestion are spot on as usual.

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

**Since I've not heard either cart, I cannot comment.

Trevor Wilson

Keith G wrote:
Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play a
suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath it
and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle long
enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Thanks Keith, will do... when I dig it out of the garage where it's been
resting since being replaced.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing what
you are doing....

My friends are like "you spent *that much ???* on a replacement, are you
mad!!!". Happily the bass from the replacement deck, arm, cart and fuzzy
felt thing on a glass platter is more than sufficient. Which is a relief
because adjusting VTA on that is .... well, nah... let's not go there ;-(

--
Adrian C

"Adrian C" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play
a suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath
it and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle
long enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Thanks Keith, will do... when I dig it out of the garage where it's
been resting since being replaced.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing
what you are doing....

My friends are like "you spent *that much ???* on a replacement, are
you mad!!!".



You got the wrong sort of friends!


Happily the bass from the replacement deck, arm, cart and fuzzy
felt thing on a glass platter is more than sufficient. Which is a
relief because adjusting VTA on that is .... well, nah... let's not go
there ;-(


My own experience of 'felt mat on glass' was on a Manticore Mantra with
a Rega 250 tonearm - put me off both felt mat/glass platters and Rega
tonearms!! Have you tried comparing with and without the felt? Here's a
little wobblicam movie of the Manticore where, even allowing for the
weedy digital camera recording (and the lightsome speakers I was using),
you will perhaps be able to determine the lack of bass:



This ****pile:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/myhifi/VicSponge.jpg

is to bass

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play
a suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath
it and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle
long enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Thanks Keith, will do... when I dig it out of the garage where it's
been resting since being replaced.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing
what you are doing....

My friends are like "you spent *that much ???* on a replacement, are
you mad!!!".



You got the wrong sort of friends!


Happily the bass from the replacement deck, arm, cart and fuzzy
felt thing on a glass platter is more than sufficient. Which is a
relief because adjusting VTA on that is .... well, nah... let's not go
there ;-(


My own experience of 'felt mat on glass' was on a Manticore Mantra with
a Rega 250 tonearm - put me off both felt mat/glass platters and Rega
tonearms!! Have you tried comparing with and without the felt? Here's a
nasty little wobblicam movie of the Manticore where, even allowing for
the
weedy digital camera recording (and the lightsome speakers I was using),
you will perhaps be able to determine the obvious lack of bass:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Manticore.wmv


Bass (low notes) without *slam* and impact is nothing!

The bass from this ****pile:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/myhifi/VicSponge.jpg


can punch holes in sheet steel and stop runaway trains!! ;-)

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play
a suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath
it and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle
long enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Thanks Keith, will do... when I dig it out of the garage where it's
been resting since being replaced.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing
what you are doing....

My friends are like "you spent *that much ???* on a replacement, are
you mad!!!".



You got the wrong sort of friends!


Happily the bass from the replacement deck, arm, cart and fuzzy
felt thing on a glass platter is more than sufficient. Which is a
relief because adjusting VTA on that is .... well, nah... let's not go
there ;-(


My own experience of 'felt mat on glass' was on a Manticore Mantra with
a Rega 250 tonearm - put me off both felt mat/glass platters and Rega
tonearms!! Have you tried comparing with and without the felt? Here's a
nasty little wobblicam movie of the Manticore where, even allowing for
the
weedy digital camera recording (and the lightsome speakers I was using),
you will perhaps be able to determine the obvious lack of bass:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Manticore.wmv


Bass (low notes) without *slam* and impact is nothing!

The bass from this ****pile:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/myhifi/VicSponge.jpg


can punch holes in sheet steel and stop runaway trains!! ;-)

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"max graff" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 28, 4:19 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"max graff" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon
OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying
one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project
8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned
with the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

Thanks Trev. Your suggestion are spot on as usual.

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

**Since I've not heard either cart, I cannot comment.


??

Since when has that ever stopped you?

On Oct 29, 8:06 am, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message

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In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:

"max graff" wrote in message
roups.com...
Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with
the fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Why?

**MC carts require either a significantly well damped arm, or one with
extremely rigid arm tube and well constructed bearings. The one exception,
IME, has been a carbon fibre arm, which appears to possess adequate internal
damping. For the record: The venerable Rega RB300 is entirely suitable for
MC (and MM) carts.

Trevor Wilson- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks Trev.

"max graff" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 29, 8:06 am, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


**MC carts require either a significantly well damped arm, or one
with
extremely rigid arm tube and well constructed bearings. The one
exception,
IME, has been a carbon fibre arm, which appears to possess adequate
internal
damping. For the record: The venerable Rega RB300 is entirely
suitable for
MC (and MM) carts.

Trevor Wilson- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks Trev.


The trick is not to let Trevor's *scary talk* put you off too much - I
believe (but don't really *know*) that most modern, 'real world' carts
are aimed pretty much at 'medium everything' these days and that it's
unlikely you'll have trouble fitting a cart to almost any tonearm!

Always ready to be *put right*, of course...