Fitting a Project Debut III with Ortofon 2M Red cartridge

**max graff** · October 28th 07, 03:47 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

Cheers Max

**Trevor Wilson[_2_]** · October 28th 07, 04:19 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

"max graff" wrote in message
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Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

**max graff** · October 28th 07, 08:06 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

On Oct 28, 4:19 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"max graff" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

Thanks Trev. Your suggestion are spot on as usual.

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

Regards

Max

**Adrian C** · October 28th 07, 09:50 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

max graff wrote:

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

I once had an Ortofon OM 5E on a earlier Project Debut II lacking quite
a bit of bass. Don't think it's a good cartridge - can't understand why
1) it's standard supply with that deck & 2) why reviewers back then
raved on so much about the performance of the cartridge / tonearm setup?

--
Adrian C

**Keith G** · October 28th 07, 10:21 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
max graff wrote:

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

I once had an Ortofon OM 5E on a earlier Project Debut II lacking
quite a bit of bass. Don't think it's a good cartridge - can't
understand why 1) it's standard supply with that deck & 2) why
reviewers back then raved on so much about the performance of the
cartridge / tonearm setup?

Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play a
suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath it
and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle long
enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing what
you are doing....

**Adrian C** · October 28th 07, 08:47 PM posted to uk.rec.audio

Keith G wrote:
Have a little play with the VTA to see if it makes a difference: Play a
suitable record on its own and then with another record underneath it
and then with two underneath it (I think you'll find the spindle long
enough) - see/hear what difference it makes, if any.

Thanks Keith, will do... when I dig it out of the garage where it's been
resting since being replaced.

Even better is to get a friend to do the listening without seeing what
you are doing....

My friends are like "you spent *that much ???* on a replacement, are you
mad!!!". Happily the bass from the replacement deck, arm, cart and fuzzy
felt thing on a glass platter is more than sufficient. Which is a relief
because adjusting VTA on that is .... well, nah... let's not go there ;-(

--
Adrian C

**Trevor Wilson[_2_]** · October 28th 07, 08:07 PM posted to uk.rec.audio

"max graff" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 28, 4:19 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"max graff" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with
the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

Thanks Trev. Your suggestion are spot on as usual.

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

**Since I've not heard either cart, I cannot comment.

Trevor Wilson

**Keith G** · October 29th 07, 12:25 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"max graff" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 28, 4:19 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"max graff" wrote in message

ups.com...

Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon
OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying
one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project
8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned
with the
fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Trevor Wilson

Thanks Trev. Your suggestion are spot on as usual.

Do you think I should find remarkable improvements in sound quality
after this upgrade? I have heard the 3M red's have good bass
response.

**Since I've not heard either cart, I cannot comment.

??

Since when has that ever stopped you?

**Jim Lesurf** · October 28th 07, 07:48 AM posted to uk.rec.audio

In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:

"max graff" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project 8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned with
the fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Why?

Slainte,

Jim

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**Keith G** · October 28th 07, 02:03 PM posted to uk.rec.audio

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:

"max graff" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi guys,

I have had my adorable Project Debug III fitted with the Ortofon OM
5E. I am planning on moving up the ladder.

After reading rave reviews of the 2M Red I am thinking of buying
one.
Its $120 here in Australia which is around my price range.

The only concern I have is if my turntable and tonearm (project
8.6)
will be handle this upgrade.

Any tips?

**You shouldn't experience any problems. I would only be concerned
with
the fitting of an MC cart to that arm.

Why?

Possibly the fumble factor and risk of damage fitting one to a 'fixed'
tonearm with no removable headshell?

Athough any decent MC cart will have a stylus protector which will
enable the cart to be fitted with it in-situ and removed afterwards - I
have AT, Ortofon and Goldring MC carts, all of which allow this...