On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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Jim. If you are not satisfied, complain, complain, complain.

I did so for decades. Got nowhere. In classical music things improved when
CD came along. But it looks like that was only temporary in rock/pop music.
Fortunately I still have LPs of most of the old rock/pop I like. So I can
simply not buy the new CD versions in most cases. I wonder how the record
companies count up people like myself who fail to appear at all on their
sales, don't return with a complaint. Presumably assume we don't exist.

Exactly. In recent years I have occasionally bought CDs of modern rock or
popular music (mostly I buy classical music but my tastes are actually
very broad). Often (not always, though) I find myself feeling very
edgy from just the sound quality. The result: I don't buy more modern
music and the music industry thinks their loss in CD sales is because
I'm downloading unauthorised copies for free.

--
John Phillips

"John Phillips" wrote in message
...
On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Jim. If you are not satisfied, complain, complain, complain.

I did so for decades. Got nowhere. In classical music things improved
when
CD came along. But it looks like that was only temporary in rock/pop
music.
Fortunately I still have LPs of most of the old rock/pop I like. So I can
simply not buy the new CD versions in most cases. I wonder how the record
companies count up people like myself who fail to appear at all on their
sales, don't return with a complaint. Presumably assume we don't exist.

Exactly. In recent years I have occasionally bought CDs of modern rock or
popular music (mostly I buy classical music but my tastes are actually
very broad). Often (not always, though) I find myself feeling very
edgy from just the sound quality. The result: I don't buy more modern
music and the music industry thinks their loss in CD sales is because
I'm downloading unauthorised copies for free.


John. Did you bring the matter to the attention
of anyone who might be in the position to do
something about it?

This "edgy" quality you mention is often mentioned, and
leads many to the (false) conclusion that CD is inferior
to vinyl. :-((

Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
news

"John Phillips" wrote in message
...
On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Jim. If you are not satisfied, complain, complain, complain.

I did so for decades. Got nowhere. In classical music things
improved when
CD came along. But it looks like that was only temporary in rock/pop
music.
Fortunately I still have LPs of most of the old rock/pop I like. So
I can
simply not buy the new CD versions in most cases. I wonder how the
record
companies count up people like myself who fail to appear at all on
their
sales, don't return with a complaint. Presumably assume we don't
exist.

Exactly. In recent years I have occasionally bought CDs of modern
rock or
popular music (mostly I buy classical music but my tastes are
actually
very broad). Often (not always, though) I find myself feeling very
edgy from just the sound quality. The result: I don't buy more
modern
music and the music industry thinks their loss in CD sales is because
I'm downloading unauthorised copies for free.


John. Did you bring the matter to the attention
of anyone who might be in the position to do
something about it?

This "edgy" quality you mention is often mentioned, and
leads many to the (false) conclusion that CD is inferior
to vinyl. :-((


JP didn't say the sound was 'edgy' as your reply seems to imply (?) - he
said the sound quality made him feel 'edgy'!

I can relate to that entirely and would go so far as to say the
*unedgyness* I feel when listening to LPs is quite possibly why I prefer
them!!

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"John Phillips" wrote in message
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On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Jim. If you are not satisfied, complain, complain, complain.

I did so for decades. Got nowhere. In classical music things improved
when
CD came along. But it looks like that was only temporary in rock/pop
music.
Fortunately I still have LPs of most of the old rock/pop I like. So I
can
simply not buy the new CD versions in most cases. I wonder how the
record
companies count up people like myself who fail to appear at all on
their
sales, don't return with a complaint. Presumably assume we don't exist.

Exactly. In recent years I have occasionally bought CDs of modern rock
or
popular music (mostly I buy classical music but my tastes are actually
very broad). Often (not always, though) I find myself feeling very
edgy from just the sound quality. The result: I don't buy more modern
music and the music industry thinks their loss in CD sales is because
I'm downloading unauthorised copies for free.


John. Did you bring the matter to the attention
of anyone who might be in the position to do
something about it?

This "edgy" quality you mention is often mentioned, and
leads many to the (false) conclusion that CD is inferior
to vinyl. :-((


JP didn't say the sound was 'edgy' as your reply seems to imply (?) - he
said the sound quality made him feel 'edgy'!

Sorry for misquoting John. I wonder if he feels edgy due to the
excess of top mids? That's what seems to bother many people.


Iain

In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"John Phillips" wrote in message
...
On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Jim. If you are not satisfied, complain, complain, complain.

I did so for decades. Got nowhere. In classical music things improved
when CD came along. But it looks like that was only temporary in
rock/pop music. Fortunately I still have LPs of most of the old
rock/pop I like. So I can simply not buy the new CD versions in most
cases. I wonder how the record companies count up people like myself
who fail to appear at all on their sales, don't return with a
complaint. Presumably assume we don't exist.

Exactly. In recent years I have occasionally bought CDs of modern rock
or popular music (mostly I buy classical music but my tastes are
actually very broad). Often (not always, though) I find myself
feeling very edgy from just the sound quality. The result: I don't
buy more modern music and the music industry thinks their loss in CD
sales is because I'm downloading unauthorised copies for free.


John. Did you bring the matter to the attention of anyone who might be
in the position to do something about it?

Why should he/we bother? Isn't it the job of those trying to sell to
recognise when their own thinking is bogus, and try *asking* the potential
customers? Why should we bother to do for them what they are paid to do?

Given the clear idiocy of the 'reason' put forward for their delusions that
we are 'happy' with clipped CDs, what luck do you think any rational
argument would have with them?

This "edgy" quality you mention is often mentioned, and leads many to
the (false) conclusion that CD is inferior to vinyl. :-((

Partilcularly, when - as indicated in the Times report - those *making* the
CD seem to believe this.

How would you expect the general public to know what the reason is, and
feel it is worth complaining, given that any return gets a replacement that
duplicates the problem, and you are told, "this is what CD sounds like,
take it or leave it"?

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Iain
Churches wrote:

"John Phillips" wrote in message
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On 2007-11-18, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Iain asked:

John. Did you bring the matter to the attention of anyone who might be
in the position to do something about it?

Jim replied:
Why should he/we bother? Isn't it the job of those trying
to sell to
recognise when their own thinking is bogus, and try *asking* the potential
customers? Why should we bother to do for them what they are paid to do?

Is it too much bother to pick up the phone or send
a fax or e-mail? We British have a reputation for
moaning ineffectively to the wrong people.
Perhaps that's more enjoyable:-)

If you were served poor food in a restaurant, even
though those around you seemed happy, you would
probably complain. This situation is no different.


Given the clear idiocy of the 'reason' put forward for their delusions
that
we are 'happy' with clipped CDs, what luck do you think any rational
argument would have with them?

Agreed. But they will continue to think this until
people in large numbers snap out of their lethargy
and make a statement.


How would you expect the general public to know what the reason is, and
feel it is worth complaining, given that any return gets a replacement
that
duplicates the problem, and you are told, "this is what CD sounds like,
take it or leave it"?

They only have to listen to a jazz or classical
CD to hear that it is not the case. Are people
really so lazy and easily persuaded?

Iain

If you were served poor food in a restaurant, even
though those around you seemed happy, you would
probably complain.

No people don't .. they just don't go there again....


--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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If you were served poor food in a restaurant, even
though those around you seemed happy, you would
probably complain.

No people don't .. they just don't go there again....


Hey, Tony - is it me or is FM on the fritz in our neighbourhood? I'm
have to fiddle with the tuning on my various portable radios (Roberts
and a Bush - garage, kitchen and bathroom) all the time, atm - fizzing
and farting noises and the Police (or Taxis) breaking through briefly a
couple of times!

Sorry to say, DAB is rock-steady of course and (queer for a vinylist,
possibly) I'm happy to go with 'digital' for once!!

In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
If you were served poor food in a restaurant, even
though those around you seemed happy, you would
probably complain.

No people don't .. they just don't go there again....


Hey, Tony - is it me or is FM on the fritz in our neighbourhood? I'm
have to fiddle with the tuning on my various portable radios (Roberts
and a Bush - garage, kitchen and bathroom) all the time, atm - fizzing
and farting noises and the Police (or Taxis) breaking through briefly a
couple of times!

Nothing that I know off course you do have a decent aerial don't you?..

Wont be old bill their off to Airwave and I really doubt the Taxis..

DAB will be solid there as its from Sandy heath spitting distance from
you FM is from Peterborough.. A lot of people reckon that Sandy should
have been a high powered FM station...

Sorry to say, DAB is rock-steady of course and (queer for a vinylist,
possibly) I'm happy to go with 'digital' for once!!




Well DABble sounds a bit distorted so...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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If you were served poor food in a restaurant, even
though those around you seemed happy, you would
probably complain.

No people don't .. they just don't go there again....

So the chef will never know that you were
dissatisfied?

Iain