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borosteve wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:
borosteve wrote:

WOW! That stirred things up a bit!! So there we have it,Cd players all
sound the same,as do amplifiers.Cables make no difference but speakers
make all the difference. Now I now where I've been gong wrong all
these years.

No stirring really. That's just the common opinion of people who work
with audio as opposed to audiophile hobbyists. Source quality matters
(and I mean the recording, not what plays it.) Speaker choice and
placement matters. Everything else needs to be competent, and mostly
is these days.

What do you mean by "work with audio"? Do you mean people who use
audio in their work? i.e.musicians,producers etc?Or do you mean people
that repair equipment, like a service engineer?

Pro-audio circuit / equipment designer here (mixers and power amplifiers
mainly but recently did some DSP and wrote my own reverb algorithms) and
occasional live sound mixing engineer. I've recently also been active again
in the recording studio business.

Currently designing a microprocessor controlled (ramps the voltages and
allows remote power up/down of multiple supplies) very low noise kilowatt
power level multi-rail power supply for large Neve consoles (they need up to
3 of them) as an replacement alternative to the original offering (they get
'tired' after many years).


Graham

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Laurence Payne wrote:

borosteve wrote:

What do you mean by "work with audio"? Do you mean people who use
audio in their work? i.e.musicians,producers etc?Or do you mean people
that repair equipment, like a service engineer? If its the latter then
fair enough. The guy who does my servicing can't tell the difference
between a radiogram and a high end set-up! If its the former then I
can tell you that I have done MANY comparative audio demonstrations of
cd players,amplifiers and the rest to PROFFESSIONAL musicians (most
you will have heard of!) and they appreciate the differences that are
there to hear.Of course recording quality is paramount (silk purse/
sows ear). I suppose its all about experiences, but if you can't tell
the difference in sound between a Quad 34/306 and a Naim nait3....

So which of those colours the sound enough to be noticable?

Given that it would be unlikely that they're level matched, isn't the one
that plays a fraction louder usually mean to sound 'better' ?

Graham

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

borosteve wrote:

No stirring really. That's just the common opinion of people who work
with audio as opposed to audiophile hobbyists. Source quality matters
(and I mean the recording, not what plays it.) Speaker choice and
placement matters. Everything else needs to be competent, and mostly
is these days.

What do you mean by "work with audio"? Do you mean people who use
audio in their work? i.e.musicians,producers etc?Or do you mean people
that repair equipment, like a service engineer? If its the latter then
fair enough. The guy who does my servicing can't tell the difference
between a radiogram and a high end set-up! If its the former then I
can tell you that I have done MANY comparative audio demonstrations of
cd players,amplifiers and the rest to PROFFESSIONAL musicians (most
you will have heard of!) and they appreciate the differences that are
there to hear.

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

Indeed. Many of them have hearing loss from playing too.


Of course recording quality is paramount (silk purse/
sows ear). I suppose its all about experiences, but if you can't tell
the difference in sound between a Quad 34/306 and a Naim nait3....

Strangely enough even Mr Vereker couldn't tell the difference between his
NAP 250 and a Quad 303 once the frequency response error on his amp was
equalised out...

LMAO !

Graham

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Laurence Payne wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

There was a time of course when 'speed accuracy' was an important spec for
turntables.

Graham

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Eeyore wrote:


Laurence Payne wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

No. Nor any of the other flowery terms so beloved of some. And when you
ask for an explanation in terms most could actually understand you get
none. Suggesting that these things simply don't exist apart from in the
minds of those using them.

--
*If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Dec 21, 4:57�pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. �I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

There was a time of course when 'speed accuracy' was an important spec for
turntables.

Graham

Hmmmm - don't let Jeff Medwin and all his low DCR power supply theory
hear you saying that....................

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Andy Evans wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. �I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

There was a time of course when 'speed accuracy' was an important spec for
turntables.

Graham

Hmmmm - don't let Jeff Medwin and all his low DCR power supply theory
hear you saying that....................

What's this "low DCR power supply theory" stuff ?

Graham

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On Dec 21, 11:05Â*pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Andy Evans wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. �I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

There was a time of course when 'speed accuracy' was an important spec for
turntables.

Graham

Hmmmm - don't let Jeff Medwin and all his low DCR power supply theory
hear you saying that....................

What's this "low DCR power supply theory" stuff ?

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It's been all over audioasylum.com, forum DIY tubes if you do a
search. Loads of juicy arguments on both sides to get your teeth into!

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Andy Evans wrote:
On Dec 21, 4:57�pm, Eeyore
wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Strange. In my experience of pro musicians they are no better than any
other at determining decent audio. Often rather worse.

I've found that, given a system without gross distortion, they home in
on the music and are rather uninterested in audiophile issues. �I've
never met one who had the slightest idea what jargon like "speed"
meant.

Does anyone here know what 'speed' means or is supposed to mean ?

There was a time of course when 'speed accuracy' was an important spec for
turntables.

Graham


Hmmmm - don't let Jeff Medwin and all his low DCR power supply theory
hear you saying that....................

Andy, no, jut don't invite trouble...

--
Nick

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Pro-audio circuit / equipment designer here

With so much to do how do you find the time to be here so often?

Steve