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In article , Laurence Payne
NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com wrote:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:41:57 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Usually, conclusions follow evidence, not pre-assume it! :-)

Isn't the basis of scientific method to suspect a conclusion then design
experiments to disprove it?

It is usual to 'challenge' a *hypothesis* by trying to carry out
experiments whose results might either turn out to agree with, or conflict
with, that hypothesis. A 'conclusion' is what you would draw from the
evidence you already have at a given point. You may then use this to
construct a hypothesis, which can then be tested.


If experiments fail to demolish the conclusion, it stands until
successfully challanged.

s/conclusion/hypothesis

Afraid my classics aren't much cop, but someone who knows about dead
languages can probably deduce this from the 'hypo' and 'thesis' parts of
the word. :-)

So a given experiment might show that a set of test subjects could not tell
which amp was being used when some music was played to them in a given set
of condition. That is the conclusion drawn from the experiment.

One possible hypothesis is that this is because no-one could, as any
differences caused by changing amp are inaudible. An alternative hypothesis
would be that the choice of musical items affects this, so some other items
*would* allow a distinction. You could then design an experiment to test if
these hypotheses stood up to further test, as well as seeing if they are
consistent with any other evidence from other work. A common method is
to take two 'competing' hypotheses and run an experiment whose outcome
can be expected to conflict with one if it supports the other.

It was in the above sense that I commented that the conclusions should
*follow* the evidence. :-)

Of course, we can put forward all kinds of hypotheses, but then have to
see if they tie in with all the relevant evidence we have, are consistent
with other related ideas which have survived testing, etc, etc. Simply
dismissing evidence you don't like and insisting that your own ideas
must be right and the evidence will appear one day would not be 'science'
but a form of faith.

You can suspect that give ideas which seem reliable now may turn out
to need changing later. But you only discard them for good reason, not
for reasons of faith or wishful thinking.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing 'golden
oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749

Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself and
listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

Like your speakers ! ;~)

You are truly not of this period of time are you ? Your ages isn't 106 by
any
chance is it ?


No, but I'm getting the impression yours is quite young...??

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing
'golden oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749



Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself
and listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

You actually expect to like every single record a radio station plays?



OK, in the interests of fair play and evenhandedness, I clicked again and
just heard:

Whitney Houston
Leona Lewis
Percy Sledge

(???)

In what way was my original assessment anything other than bang on the
money?

What a sad excuse for a group this is...
 

Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing 'golden
oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749

Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself and
listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

Like your speakers ! ;~)

You are truly not of this period of time are you ? Your ages isn't 106 by
any chance is it ?

No, but I'm getting the impression yours is quite young...??

A sprightly 53.

Current favourite band, probably The Sisters of Mercy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sisters_of_Mercy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy-JcKlIq38

It's SO passe people going to see Led Zeppelin playing at Docklands. I was there
in the 70s. Good band all the same it has to be said. And saw Floyd in 1969 at
Hyde Park.

Graham

What a sad excuse for a group this is...
 

Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Keith G wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing
'golden oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749


Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself
and listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

You actually expect to like every single record a radio station plays?

OK, in the interests of fair play and evenhandedness, I clicked again and
just heard:

Whitney Houston
Leona Lewis
Percy Sledge

(???)

In what way was my original assessment anything other than bang on the
money?

Is it really THAT bad ?

Have you listened to Radio One recently ?

Graham


p.s. I listen to Classic FM too.

What a sad excuse for a group this is...
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749



Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself
and listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

You actually expect to like every single record a radio station plays?



OK, in the interests of fair play and evenhandedness, I clicked again
and just heard:

Whitney Howard
Leona Lewis
Percy Sledge

(???)

Does that mean you've never heard of them?

In what way was my original assessment anything other than bang on the
money?

I didn't realise you had such narrow tastes in music.

--
*When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

I didn't realise you had such narrow tastes in music.

Seemed pretty obvious to me actually !

I dare say he'd hate it if his heartbeat increased even a little bit. I'm sure
he likes nicely sterile music. Nothing that might make the blood flow a little
faster.

Graham

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:27:23 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

[snip]

At the end of the day there's a simple answer. If you really can hear
these differences you claim then you should be able to demonstrate them
reliably to others in proper tests. But of course no one ever can.

No great point in that - given the fundamental flaws in such "tests".
Which of course is why they never produce any meaningful results.

Malcolm

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing
'golden
oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749

Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself
and
listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

Like your speakers ! ;~)

You are truly not of this period of time are you ? Your ages isn't 106
by
any chance is it ?

No, but I'm getting the impression yours is quite young...??

A sprightly 53.


??

You do surprise me!



Current favourite band, probably The Sisters of Mercy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sisters_of_Mercy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy-JcKlIq38



Streuth! That explains a *lot*.....

What a sad excuse for a group this is...
 

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Keith G wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing
'golden oldie' style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749


Thank you for that - clicked it, allowed 'Active X' to install itself
and listened to about 5 seconds of crap (Commodores - Still it said)!

Hideous.

You actually expect to like every single record a radio station plays?

OK, in the interests of fair play and evenhandedness, I clicked again and
just heard:

Whitney Houston
Leona Lewis
Percy Sledge

(???)

In what way was my original assessment anything other than bang on the
money?

Is it really THAT bad ?


No, it's worse - not only is it utter *****e* but I just clicked again and
saw the same track title go by - it's *looped ****e*!!



Have you listened to Radio One recently ?


Don't be so damn silly!


Graham


p.s. I listen to Classic FM too.


Bully for you....