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Keith G wrote:

but let's not forget the far superior 'information
carrying' capacity of CDs - the average LP lasts
approximately 7 minutes per side;

Uh ? More like 20 mins IIRC.

Agreed. Except that LPs are generally so bad that it is
questionable whether you can call the corrupted mess
that can be recovered from them *music*.

Catch a grip, Arny....

Pseudo-Dr., cure yourself first!



What cure do I need? I use SS and valve amps, 'horns' and 'normal' speakers
on a regular (daily) basis; I listen to analogue and digital audio according
to my requirements at any particular time and I simply don't care who else
does what and which they prefer...

Look to yourself, Arny - you're the one with a serious bug up your arse...

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Eeyore wrote:

I HAVE heard bad CD players such as the original Sony
CDP-101. It souded 'harsh'
to me (one can speculate over what casued that) and I
was convinced that reverberation was being truncated
(although that could have been the result of
flawed mastering).

Me too. I never discovered whether it was my neighbour's
CDP-101, the 'Realistic'
amp and speakers or the 1980's music but something gave
me a headache.


Hmm, spoilt for choice there...


Perhaps he's still got it in the junk box; it would be
interesting to find out how bad it was.


Then you could stick pins in your eyes to round the
evening off....

Or, listen to LPs through a SET amplifier and a metal-coned full-range
speaker driver.



Playing one of your 'purple smock' Gospel recordings?

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Arny Krueger wrote:

There is no chance that there is anything wrong with
the sound of the CD format since it is sonically
transparent.

No help to those who actively seek colouration though.
Same as valve amps. The two ( liking valves and LPs)
seem to go hand-in-hand which strongly suggests to me
that those people like a strongly coloured sound.

I think that sentimentality, a desire to be different
for the sake of being different, and gettting attention
is behind most of the adamant LP preference we see
expressed around here.

Add to that a liking for horn loudspeakers, and we have
the triumvirate - vinyl-valves-horns. Coloration rules OK?

Agreed. It's the "Look at me, I'm weird" effect. These days, we might
call it the "Britney Spears Effect".


What is it *exactly* that you fear, Arny?

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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Arny Krueger wrote:

There is no chance that there is anything wrong with
the sound of the CD format since it is sonically
transparent.

No help to those who actively seek colouration though.
Same as valve amps. The two ( liking valves and LPs)
seem to go hand-in-hand which strongly suggests to me
that those people like a strongly coloured sound.

I think that sentimentality, a desire to be different
for the sake of being different, and gettting attention
is behind most of the adamant LP preference we see
expressed around here.

One thing for sure ... I used to do a lot of headphone
listening. Still do in fact.

Other than doing live sound, I primarily listen through headphones.


Aha! Now that *does* explain a few things - all your bloody silly comments
about LPs are based on *headphone listening*??


Headphones reveal the failings of LPs very cruelly.
Listening on speakers seems to be less unkind to them.

That's because most rooms pretty well conceal tons of distortion and
noise.


That's a good 'un - even for you!! (Horse****ting himself now, it
seems...???)

'Nuff said, Arny - I, for one, know exactly where you're coming from now!

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Why would DVD A or Sony's super effort (can't remember)
even exist if CDs were transparent?

It's hardly the first time someone tried to make money by making
nonsensical technical claims. It looks like Sony and Philips lost
millions, so they got their just desserts.




Admirable the way Arnold B Katzenjammer struggles on with the English
language - he's getting quite a lot of it right these days!!

:-)


Now, Philips and Sony losing millions?

Don't know about Sony - they might be sweating, but Philips losing
'millions' would be a lot less devastating than Arny leaving his umbrella
down at the Welfare Offices, I would have thought....

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Why would DVD A or Sony's super effort (can't remember)
even exist if CDs were transparent?

It's hardly the first time someone tried to make money by making
nonsensical technical claims. It looks like Sony and Philips lost
millions, so they got their just desserts.




Admirable the way Arnold B Katzenjammer struggles on with the English
language - he's getting quite a lot of it right these days!!

:-)


Now, Philips and Sony losing millions?

Don't know about Sony - they might be sweating, but Philips losing
'millions' would be a lot less devastating than Arny leaving his umbrella
down at the Welfare Offices, I would have thought....


OK, I am informed that Philip's 2006 turnover was 27,000,000,000 Euros and
that Sony has just done 18,000,000,000 USD in 'Quarter 2', 2007 (?) so maybe
they ain't sweating that hard after all....

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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What cure do I need?

I'm not a Dr., but I know sick when I see it sometimes.

I use SS and valve amps, 'horns' and 'normal' speakers on a regular
(daily) basis;

Begging the question why you claim that the bottles always sound better,
given all the contrary evidence that must be at hand.

I listen to analogue and digital audio according

Begging the question why you claim that the rock being dragged in a ditch
always sounds better, given all the contrary evidence that must be at hand.

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Eeyore wrote:

I HAVE heard bad CD players such as the original Sony
CDP-101. It souded 'harsh'
to me (one can speculate over what casued that) and I
was convinced that reverberation was being truncated
(although that could have been the result of
flawed mastering).

Me too. I never discovered whether it was my neighbour's
CDP-101, the 'Realistic'
amp and speakers or the 1980's music but something gave
me a headache.


Hmm, spoilt for choice there...


Perhaps he's still got it in the junk box; it would be
interesting to find out how bad it was.


Then you could stick pins in your eyes to round the
evening off....

Or, listen to LPs through a SET amplifier and a metal-coned full-range
speaker driver.

Playing one of your 'purple smock' Gospel recordings?

Wrong style of worship.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

There is no chance that there is anything wrong with
the sound of the CD format since it is sonically
transparent.

No help to those who actively seek colouration though.
Same as valve amps. The two ( liking valves and LPs)
seem to go hand-in-hand which strongly suggests to me
that those people like a strongly coloured sound.

I think that sentimentality, a desire to be different
for the sake of being different, and gettting attention
is behind most of the adamant LP preference we see
expressed around here.

Add to that a liking for horn loudspeakers, and we have
the triumvirate - vinyl-valves-horns. Coloration rules OK?

Agreed. It's the "Look at me, I'm weird" effect. These days, we might
call it the "Britney Spears Effect".

What is it *exactly* that you fear, Arny?

No fear.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Now, Philips and Sony losing millions?

On the specific product lines mentioned.