"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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What cure do I need?

I'm not a Dr., but I know sick when I see it sometimes.

I use SS and valve amps, 'horns' and 'normal' speakers on a regular
(daily) basis;

Begging the question why you claim that the bottles always sound better,
given all the contrary evidence that must be at hand.

Done tole you a hunnerd times - there's mo

space
air
depth
tone
clarity
sweetness

with valves...

It is almost like Keith doesn't understand that I come from a generation
that had nothing but tubes to listen to for almost 20 years.

All but a tiny minority of people from my generation know that there's less

space
air
depth
tone
clarity
sweetness

and far more expense and general hassle

with valves...

The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong! ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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What cure do I need?

I'm not a Dr., but I know sick when I see it sometimes.

I use SS and valve amps, 'horns' and 'normal' speakers on a regular
(daily) basis;

Begging the question why you claim that the bottles always sound better,
given all the contrary evidence that must be at hand.

Done tole you a hunnerd times - there's mo

space
air
depth
tone
clarity
sweetness

with valves...

It is almost like Keith doesn't understand that I come from a generation
that had nothing but tubes to listen to for almost 20 years.


And then dropped his trousers for the 'perfect sound forever' on the latest
'solid state' gadgets because some marketing **** told him it was better!


The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong! ;-)


Except the umpteen thousands who are now waking up and moving back to 'valve
and vinyl' now that the penny's finally dropped that they'd been had!

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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It is almost like Keith doesn't understand that I come from a generation
that had nothing but tubes to listen to for almost 20 years.

And then dropped his trousers for the 'perfect sound forever' on the
latest 'solid state' gadgets because some marketing **** told him it was
better!

No, my ears told me that if a piece of tubed equipment didn't already sound
like **** compared to SS, just run the tubed piece for a few months to a
year or two until the tubes got tired.

There was a reason why there were tube checkers in just about every
electronics, hardware and drug store in the US in those days - the tubed
gear stopped working so well, and a bad tube was a likely explanation.

The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong!
;-)

Except the umpteen thousands who are now waking up and moving back to
'valve and vinyl' now that the penny's finally dropped that they'd been
had!

There's a few bad apples in every bunch - people who simply don't get it no
matter how obvious the relevant facts are.

Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong! ;-)

Except the umpteen thousands who are now waking up and moving back to 'valve
and vinyl' now that the penny's finally dropped that they'd been had!

You like to flaunt your gullibility do you ?

I suspect you've never heard a really good solid state amplifier. For one thing,
your bias would probably exclude one from your consideration.

Graham

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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It is almost like Keith doesn't understand that I come from a generation
that had nothing but tubes to listen to for almost 20 years.

And then dropped his trousers for the 'perfect sound forever' on the
latest 'solid state' gadgets because some marketing **** told him it was
better!

No, my ears told me that if a piece of tubed equipment didn't already
sound like **** compared to SS,


In your dreams....


just run the tubed piece for a few months to a
year or two until the tubes got tired.

There was a reason why there were tube checkers in just about every
electronics, hardware and drug store in the US in those days - the tubed
gear stopped working so well, and a bad tube was a likely explanation.


From what I gather most of those stores had a foot pedal on the checker that
made every valve look like it needed replacing - how many times you got took
like that, Arny?




The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong!
;-)

Except the umpteen thousands who are now waking up and moving back to
'valve and vinyl' now that the penny's finally dropped that they'd been
had!

There's a few bad apples in every bunch - people who simply don't get it
no matter how obvious the relevant facts are.


You're just a tad outta date - I think you should make the effort to read
one or two of the current UK audio comix to get an idea which way the wind's
blowing these days...

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

The billions of us who happily switched to solid state can't be wrong!
;-)

Except the umpteen thousands who are now waking up and moving back to
'valve
and vinyl' now that the penny's finally dropped that they'd been had!

You like to flaunt your gullibility do you ?


No more than you like to flaunt your silliness...



I suspect you've never heard a really good solid state amplifier.


No, I have to say I haven't really - but then I suspect you haven't
either...


For one thing,
your bias would probably exclude one from your consideration.


No - given that it seems you've got to spend about £3.5K to match a 300 quid
Chinese valve amp, it's my pocket that exludes them from casual
investigation...

"Keith G" wrote in message
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No - given that it seems you've got to spend about £3.5K to match a 300
quid Chinese valve amp, it's my pocket that exludes them from casual
investigation...


How on earth can an amplifier cost £3.5K? Unless the chassis is gold-plated,
or it's hand-built by a Swiss craftsman. Neither of which make any
difference to the performance.

David.

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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No - given that it seems you've got to spend about £3.5K to match a 300
quid Chinese valve amp, it's my pocket that exludes them from casual
investigation...


How on earth can an amplifier cost £3.5K? Unless the chassis is
gold-plated, or it's hand-built by a Swiss craftsman. Neither of which
make any difference to the performance.

David.

I think the answer is that it doesn't *cost* £3.5K, that's the *price*. The
factory cost, excluding marketing expenses, dealer's margin etc will be a
*whole* lot less.

S.


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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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No - given that it seems you've got to spend about £3.5K to match a 300
quid Chinese valve amp, it's my pocket that exludes them from casual
investigation...


How on earth can an amplifier cost £3.5K?


See Serge's reply.....


Unless the chassis is gold-plated,
or it's hand-built by a Swiss craftsman. Neither of which make any
difference to the performance.


How do you know that?

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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No - given that it seems you've got to spend about £3.5K to match a 300
quid Chinese valve amp, it's my pocket that exludes them from casual
investigation...


How on earth can an amplifier cost £3.5K? Unless the chassis is
gold-plated, or it's hand-built by a Swiss craftsman. Neither of which
make any difference to the performance.

David.

I think the answer is that it doesn't *cost* £3.5K, that's the *price*.
The factory cost, excluding marketing expenses, dealer's margin etc will
be a *whole* lot less.


On the nail as usual, Serge....

But my remark was not as facetious as it might have appeared - there's not
much doubt that the normal 'thin-slice' SS amplifiers stand no chance
against an OK valve amp in my book, but once you get up into the
'arc-welder' bracket to the amps which weigh a bit and have serious power
supplies I'm sure (but I don't *know*) that a 3 cwt/3 grand solid state amp
(running as hot as a forge) can probably offer the same 'sonics' as a valve
amp probably weighing a bit less and probably costing a lot less (but
probably still running just as hot) - no?

Anybody got first hand experience of a truly *serious* SS amp?

(Where's Pinky when you need him? :-)