"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article i,

Just for your information Iain - it is more costly to obtain good location
sound than to post sync it in many cases. The bean counters might be
responsible for many reduced standards - but this isn't one of them.

So you ask the talent to mime, and post record it???:-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it and
was rejected.

It would have been a very last resort. Happily there were
a large number of, what were in my view, better options.

"RdM" wrote in message
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I don't understand that! I'm sure I'm not alone in using my "TV" [1]
merely
as a monitor off my Nicam stereo "hi-fi" VCR, and running the sound
through a
Dolby Prologic (or quality stereo, depending on the room) amp [2], as I
have
for at least the last 15 years ... I haven't even bothered with 5.1+ etc.
yet,
but I certainly appreciate good sound on programmes where it exists!

RdM


Just been drinking coffee and re-reading your post with a colleague.

The standard of audio on TV is severely hampered by visual-based
decisions of directors and cameramen, Sound is very much the poor
relation. Anyone can hear that.

Music on live TV shows often leaves much to be desired.
Look at the drummers sitting behind plexi screens and the mics
clipped to music stands for the strings. Working under such
limiting conditions it is very difficult to get anything even
approaching good sound.

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Just been drinking coffee and re-reading your post with a colleague.

The standard of audio on TV is severely hampered by visual-based
decisions of directors and cameramen, Sound is very much the poor
relation. Anyone can hear that.

Sounds like your colleague is as bitter as you. Another TV reject?

But you've already said you rarely watch TV apart from the BBC world news
so if that's what you're basing your views on I'm not surprised. Of course
I'd like to see you do better under the those conditions...

Music on live TV shows often leaves much to be desired.
Look at the drummers sitting behind plexi screens and the mics
clipped to music stands for the strings. Working under such
limiting conditions it is very difficult to get anything even
approaching good sound.

I take it Iain that you have no visual appreciation - so would like a
'live music TV show' to be made in a recording studio with everything
nicely screened off so you get your 'good' sound? Or might that be a
teensy bit boring to watch?

BTW, this clipping mics on stands thing must be local to you. I've never
seen it done - or can understand why it would be. Or is it your preferred
method under such circumstances?

--
*What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Wipe your chin, Plowie - you're drooling....

Not at all. I've done my fair share of travelling work wise and prefer to
come home at night. Of course Iain may well prefer an hotel to his 'home'.
and spending all his spare time with his work colleagues.

I have a home in a couple of the locations, so
don't always need to stay in a hotel.

I don't need to chase after ever single project either
at a flat take-it-or-leave it TV fee. The Spring and
Autumn seasons are busy.

I take eight to ten weeks holiday during the summer, and six
at Christmas. So I enjoy a high living standard with plenty
of leasure time also.

It's his choice

Yes, you are right, it is my choice.

Iain

"RdM" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" in
. saunalahti.fi:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Pray tell what 'technical' restrictions apply to TV compared to the
corporates you obviously know about?

I did just that in my previous post, so that you would
not need to ask. Perhaps they are better classed as
artistic restrictions, in the "No point in doing that,
because no-one is gonna hear it on TV" class:-)

I don't understand that! I'm sure I'm not alone in using my "TV" [1]
merely
as a monitor off my Nicam stereo "hi-fi" VCR, and running the sound
through a
Dolby Prologic (or quality stereo, depending on the room) amp [2], as I
have
for at least the last 15 years ... I haven't even bothered with 5.1+ etc.
yet,
but I certainly appreciate good sound on programmes where it exists!


No you are not alone. I first piped TV sound through a Hi-Fi system in the
early 1970s. In those days TV sets required extensive modification to
provide a high-quality line-level audio feed, but it was worth the effort.

David.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
IME, only a real prick uses the words 'pray tell'....

Don't think I'm too worried about your literary opinions, Keithie baby.


Literary? You consider your posts 'literature'....??

Any written word may be called literature, Keithie.


Including the immortal lines to your pal:

"One extra pint today, please"....??



Thanks for confirming
my statement.


Think nothing of it

(I don't....)




--
*Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
IME, only a real prick uses the words 'pray tell'....

Don't think I'm too worried about your literary opinions, Keithie
baby.


Literary? You consider your posts 'literature'....??

Any written word may be called literature, Keithie. Thanks for confirming
my statement.

Dave. You are sounding more and more like dear old
Arny every day. This may, or may not, be a good thing:-)



More like Arny and less like Plowie? Hmm, that's a toughie...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Just been drinking coffee and re-reading your post with a colleague.

The standard of audio on TV is severely hampered by visual-based
decisions of directors and cameramen, Sound is very much the poor
relation. Anyone can hear that.

Sounds like your colleague is as bitter as you. Another TV reject?


Ho ho ho! Now, that *is* rich - Plowie's calling Iain 'bitter'!!

??

(Classic case of 'projection' methinks! ;-)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

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*I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met *


Smart move...




Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.