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Eeyore October 22nd 08 10:07 PM

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

John Phillips wrote:

I once sat in a 747 on the ground at Kai Tak waiting for takeoff (a long
time ago) and noticed that we were apparently at -4 metres.


Sound like the pilot was a little late with the round-out during the
previous decent. Perhaps understandable given the approach. :-)


LOL !

On one of many trips to Bombay / Mumbai on landing it's wasn't the usual BA
'greaser' (i.e. you hardly notice the touchdown). It wasn't a BAD landing, just
not quite their usual standard. Shortly after the F.O. came on the PA to
apologise on account of them having to avoid a dog crossing the runway !

Crazy country.

p.s. I've always found BA's cabin crew great too.

And avoid Air India. 'Palace in the skies' my arse! They have the sulkiest
cabin crew I've ever come across bar possibly Air France. Equal score actually
I'd say.

Lufthansa scores for sheer Germanic efficiency and consistency. Swissair (as
was) scores for the most beautiful member of cabin crew who relayed my request
to the Captain and I got to stay awhile on the flight deck of a 747-300 and
learnt a few things from him.

And then there was the flirt from a Easyjet 'air hostess'. That brightens your
day up too.

Graham


Robert Orban October 22nd 08 11:54 PM

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In article , says...

Thanks Bob !

Graham



Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Eeyore October 23rd 08 12:08 AM

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Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Just how smart are the Optimods these days ? I assume they're DSP based now
(oh you said so) and probably for some time.

I always though your objective was to reduce to the minimum any unwanted
audible artifacts through multiple band processing and the like..

Grham



Chris Hornbeck October 23rd 08 12:15 AM

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:54:32 -0800, Robert Orban
wrote:

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


It's also worth keeping in mind that, in America at least,
overmodulation is illegal. May not be much policed these days,
but still illegal.

It's back to the Wild West here in many respects, and violations
not involving the female breast or words learned in elementary
school are ignored in the interest of Free Enterprise. Such is life.

Blaming tools for business decisions is misplaced.


Much thanks, as always,
Chris Hornbeck

Eeyore October 23rd 08 12:32 AM

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Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


BTW, did you ever use 'optical' compression ? Vactrols etc.

Graham



tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:05 AM

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In article ,
Robert Orban scribeth thus
In article , says...

Thanks Bob !

Graham



Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Give 'em the weapons and they'll fight the ratings war;!...
--
Tony Sayer



tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:07 AM

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In article , Chris Hornbeck
scribeth thus
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:54:32 -0800, Robert Orban
wrote:

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


It's also worth keeping in mind that, in America at least,
overmodulation is illegal. May not be much policed these days,
but still illegal.


Its illegal most everywhere unless you're a London pirate, then you set
it wherever it will go ...

--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:09 AM

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In article , David Looser
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Funnily enough we've got four Band 1 transmitters , yes those
frequencies are still used, and the cores in one have all disintegrated
away whereas in the other their fine all about the same age!..

What do they transmit?

David.



Their used for Audio links either Mono or Stereo further info here...

http://www.jfmg.co.uk/pages/freq/ground/40_100mhz.htm
--
Tony Sayer




Robert Orban October 28th 08 10:52 PM

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In article ,
says...




Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


BTW, did you ever use 'optical' compression ? Vactrols etc.


Only once, for a cue amplifier in a one-off broadcast console I built in
the late '60s for a friend's radio station. I drove the lamp from the output
of the cue power amplifier, which made the compressor very cost-effective.

Optical compressors are very interesting because of their complex, program-
dependent attack and release times. However, IMO they are not adequately
repeatable in a mass-production environment, so I never seriously considered
using them commercially.

One of my competitors did (in a four-band processor) and it caused him and
his customers no end of grief with unit-to-unit consistency problems and
temperature sensitivity.


Robert Orban October 28th 08 11:01 PM

Amplifier power
 
In article ,
says...




Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Just how smart are the Optimods these days ? I assume they're DSP based now
(oh you said so) and probably for some time.


They're pretty smart :-). All of the manuals are available for free download
from ftp.orban.com, and these provide detailed descriptions of their
features. Our current top of the line processors are the 8500 for FM, the
9400 for AM, the 6300 for digital media, and the 8585 for surround. (The
8585 manual is coming soon; the otehr manuals are currently available.)


I always though your objective was to reduce to the minimum any unwanted
audible artifacts through multiple band processing and the like..


Yes. One can use a special form of multiband processing (with coupled bands
that only uncouple when necessary to prevent audible spectral gain
intermodulation) for protection limiting.

To process for loudness, one really needs to start with multiband processing
and complement it with various peak limiting tricks like distortion-
cancelled clipping, where the clipping distortion is removed in some
frequency bands. The nice side effect of doing such complex loudness
processing is that when backed off to give a more "purist" sound, the
processor causes far fewer audible artifacts than a simpler processor would.



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