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David Looser October 21st 08 12:33 PM

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"Fleetie" wrote in message
...

Studiomaster were a UK company founded in the 1070s


Been around for quite a while then!

David.



Don Pearce October 21st 08 12:45 PM

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David Looser wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
Studiomaster were a UK company founded in the 1070s


Been around for quite a while then!

David.



They recorded the Bayeux tapestry.

d

[email protected] October 21st 08 01:03 PM

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On Oct 21, 8:33 am, "David Looser"
wrote:
Studiomaster were a UK company founded in the 1070s


Does that mean their claim that they helped record the
Battle of Hastings is suspect? Come to think of it,
the album cover where William the Conquerer is crossing
Abbey Road and there's a 1068 Morris Minor parked in
the background should have tipped me off.

David Looser October 21st 08 03:39 PM

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen, flying
at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually, according to my
calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been 11278m). Or is it
possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or minus quite a bit,
and that there was a spurious precision to the "11277"?

David.



Don Pearce October 21st 08 03:43 PM

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David Looser wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen, flying
at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually, according to my
calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been 11278m). Or is it
possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or minus quite a bit,
and that there was a spurious precision to the "11277"?

David.



Just a rounding thing. If you round by truncating you get 11277, if you
do it to the nearest you get 11278. I suspect the number has more to do
with the autopilot demand setting than the actual height, though.

d

David Looser October 21st 08 03:45 PM

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

No but theres a local station round these parts where the engineer does
give a monkeys but the programme controller only knows LOUD LOUD and
LOUDER!!! cos the bloke at the other station down the road is the same;;

All thinking LOUD is better..


Did anyone hear on the news recently that the new CD from "Metallica" is so
heavily compressed that even Heavy-Metal fans are complaining in their
thousands? Good for them I say!

David.



David Looser October 21st 08 03:49 PM

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


For me, radio is all but finished. Apart from Radio 4 of course. It's the
same pap
from every broadcaster. I can even recall several times changing channel
and finding
the very same track being played on the new one. Grrrrrrrr.


You should try American Radio.
I've recently spent many hours driving through California with only the
radio for "entertainment". It makes UK commercial "pop" radio sound like
high-culture by comparison!

David.



Jim Lesurf[_2_] October 21st 08 04:05 PM

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In article , David Looser
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write
down a lab experiment result to as many significant figures as their
hand calculator displays - regardless of having input figures only
roughly accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen,
flying at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually,
according to my calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have
been 11278m). Or is it possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet
plus or minus quite a bit, and that there was a spurious precision to
the "11277"?


I suspect your plane was more than 1 metre tall. :-) Did they say if the
height was measured to the seat of the pilot's chair, or to some other
reference? :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


Arny Krueger October 21st 08 05:22 PM

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"David Looser" wrote in
message
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all
orchestras to a 1dB range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes
write down a lab experiment result to as many
significant figures as their hand calculator displays -
regardless of having input figures only roughly
accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was,
according to the "flight information" channel on the
in-flight entertainment screen, flying at a constant
height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually, according
to my calculations, to the nearest metre, that should
have been 11278m). Or is it possible that the actual
height was 37,000 feet plus or minus quite a bit, and
that there was a spurious precision to the "11277"?


If you are worried about an airplane's altitude to the 5th digit, you
obviously need to find something else to do with your mind! ;-)

BTW, which part of the plane was the measurement centered at? ;-)



Eeyore October 21st 08 05:48 PM

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GregS wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
GregS wrote:

The RC4136 was used in a lot of stuff. It had a faster slew rate, and I
measured up to 1.8 v/us, and was called a quad 741. Weird pins too.


I know the one. Avoided it like the plague if only for the pinout !

Didn't TI make a TL075 with the same pinout ?


Right, and I always wanted to use them in my old Soundcraftmen equalizer, then I could not get them.
I was set up to make conversion boards but never finished. I still have that equalizer but I don't use it.


TI have now deleted it. Little demand I suppose. I only know because I have a very early copy of the bifet
manual.

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 05:50 PM

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GregS wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
APR wrote:

What difference would you expect a different IC to make over the 4558's?


Just to put this into perspective, the 4558 is little better than the rightly
maligned (today) 741 op-amp.

4558s are most commonly found in low-rent DJ gear.


I was redoing some cheap DJ stuff. One time I put in some National
chips, one of the newer designs at the time, and I found one chip
with popcorn noise. First time I ever heard that.


I got popcorn noise from a failing TI BC184 once but that's it.

What did fox me for days was a noisy channel in a hi-fi amp that was caused by a leaky c-b ceramic
cap.

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 05:51 PM

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Don Pearce wrote:

David Looser wrote:
"Fleetie" wrote in message

Studiomaster were a UK company founded in the 1070s


Been around for quite a while then!

David.


They recorded the Bayeux tapestry.


LOL !

Graham


David Looser October 21st 08 05:52 PM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
et...
David Looser wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand
calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate.
:-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen,
flying at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually,
according to my calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been
11278m). Or is it possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or
minus quite a bit, and that there was a spurious precision to the
"11277"?



Just a rounding thing. If you round by truncating you get 11277, if you do
it to the nearest you get 11278.


Rounding isn't truncating!. I said "to the nearest metre" and that is 11278m

I suspect the number has more to do with the autopilot demand setting than
the actual height, though.

That's as maybe, but the numbers went up and down when the plane climbed and
descended.

David.





Eeyore October 21st 08 05:53 PM

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wrote:

"David Looser" wrote

Studiomaster were a UK company founded in the 1070s


Does that mean their claim that they helped record the
Battle of Hastings is suspect? Come to think of it,
the album cover where William the Conquerer is crossing
Abbey Road and there's a 1068 Morris Minor parked in
the background should have tipped me off.


Hey, you know the VW in the much later Beatles rip-off of that ?

A friend of mine found that on a forecourt in a local garage and bought
it. He later auctioned it. Not sure what he made on the deal. Must ask
sometime.

Graham



Eeyore October 21st 08 05:55 PM

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David Looser wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a

lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen, flying
at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually, according to my
calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been 11278m). Or is it
possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or minus quite a bit,
and that there was a spurious precision to the "11277"?


And they say computers don't make mistakes !

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 05:56 PM

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Don Pearce wrote:

David Looser wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate. :-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen, flying
at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually, according to my
calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been 11278m). Or is it
possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or minus quite a bit,
and that there was a spurious precision to the "11277"?


Just a rounding thing. If you round by truncating you get 11277, if you
do it to the nearest you get 11278. I suspect the number has more to do
with the autopilot demand setting than the actual height, though.


Not to mention that if they don't know the exact barometric pressure it'll be a
bit off anyway, that why ATC give them the baro reading for landing.

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 05:57 PM

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David Looser wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote

No but theres a local station round these parts where the engineer does
give a monkeys but the programme controller only knows LOUD LOUD and
LOUDER!!! cos the bloke at the other station down the road is the same;;

All thinking LOUD is better..


Did anyone hear on the news recently that the new CD from "Metallica" is so
heavily compressed that even Heavy-Metal fans are complaining in their
thousands? Good for them I say!


Seriously ?

So it's AAaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh! all the way through then ?

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 05:59 PM

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David Looser wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
David Looser wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message

Interesting that he seems able to narrow down all orchestras to a 1dB
range
like that. Reminiscent of the way undergrads sometimes write down a lab
experiment result to as many significant figures as their hand
calculator
displays - regardless of having input figures only roughly accurate.
:-)


I've just flown back from the USA on a plane that was, according to the
"flight information" channel on the in-flight entertainment screen,
flying at a constant height of 37,000 feet - or 11277m. (Actually,
according to my calculations, to the nearest metre, that should have been
11278m). Or is it possible that the actual height was 37,000 feet plus or
minus quite a bit, and that there was a spurious precision to the
"11277"?



Just a rounding thing. If you round by truncating you get 11277, if you do
it to the nearest you get 11278.


Rounding isn't truncating!. I said "to the nearest metre" and that is 11278m

I suspect the number has more to do with the autopilot demand setting than
the actual height, though.

That's as maybe, but the numbers went up and down when the plane climbed and
descended.


It'll be the FMS / FMC sending the data then.

Graham


John Williamson October 21st 08 06:19 PM

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Eeyore wrote:
Hey, you know the VW in the much later Beatles rip-off of that ?

A friend of mine found that on a forecourt in a local garage and bought
it. He later auctioned it. Not sure what he made on the deal. Must ask
sometime.

Quote from the Guardian Newspaper, 1989:-

"The 1968 Volkswagen was sold at a Sotheby's auction three years ago to
an American collector for £2,530. They say it even runs."

Another, more up to date, site says :-
"Later, this car sold in an auction for 23,000 dollars and is now in a
museum"

I believe it's still about somewhere, as it was mentioned in a classic
car magazine a few months back.

--
Tciao for Now!

JOhn.

David Looser October 21st 08 06:42 PM

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

If you are worried about an airplane's altitude to the 5th digit, you
obviously need to find something else to do with your mind! ;-)

Well OK I could have read my boring novel, or attempted to watch the
in-flight movie on a really crappy LCD monitor with the sound from a pair of
cheap earphones trying to compete with the background noise level. I think
I'd rather watch the numbers!

BTW, which part of the plane was the measurement centered at? ;-)


Goodness knows!, but whilst trundling around San Fransisco airport it
hovered around 42 feet, if that proves anything.

David.






David Looser October 21st 08 08:01 PM

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


David Looser wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote

No but theres a local station round these parts where the engineer does
give a monkeys but the programme controller only knows LOUD LOUD and
LOUDER!!! cos the bloke at the other station down the road is the
same;;

All thinking LOUD is better..


Did anyone hear on the news recently that the new CD from "Metallica" is
so
heavily compressed that even Heavy-Metal fans are complaining in their
thousands? Good for them I say!


Seriously ?


So Radio 4 says, they even played a bit to show just how awful it is.

So it's AAaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh! all the way through then ?

Absolutely

David.



Eeyore October 21st 08 09:22 PM

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John Williamson wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Hey, you know the VW in the much later Beatles rip-off of that ?

A friend of mine found that on a forecourt in a local garage and bought
it. He later auctioned it. Not sure what he made on the deal. Must ask
sometime.

Quote from the Guardian Newspaper, 1989:-

"The 1968 Volkswagen was sold at a Sotheby's auction three years ago to
an American collector for £2,530. They say it even runs."

Another, more up to date, site says :-
"Later, this car sold in an auction for 23,000 dollars and is now in a
museum"

I believe it's still about somewhere, as it was mentioned in a classic
car magazine a few months back.


Not bad. I think he only paid a few hundred for it. I'll see if Peter knows
it's in a museum now. Didn't say which did it ? He probably saved it for
posterity by recognising the number plate.

Graham


Eeyore October 21st 08 09:26 PM

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David Looser wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
David Looser wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote

No but theres a local station round these parts where the engineer does
give a monkeys but the programme controller only knows LOUD LOUD and
LOUDER!!! cos the bloke at the other station down the road is the
same;;

All thinking LOUD is better..

Did anyone hear on the news recently that the new CD from "Metallica" is
so heavily compressed that even Heavy-Metal fans are complaining in their
thousands? Good for them I say!


Seriously ?


So Radio 4 says, they even played a bit to show just how awful it is.


Good old Radio 4. One of the last good bits of the BBC.


So it's AAaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh! all the way through then ?

Absolutely


LOL ! Someone tried to convince me a few weeks back that Metallica weren't
REALLY 'heavy metal' there were actually some tunes somewhere in there. I was
sceptical.

Graham


John Williamson October 21st 08 09:44 PM

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Eeyore wrote:

John Williamson wrote:
I believe it's still about somewhere, as it was mentioned in a classic
car magazine a few months back.


Not bad. I think he only paid a few hundred for it. I'll see if Peter knows
it's in a museum now. Didn't say which did it ? He probably saved it for
posterity by recognising the number plate.

Google for LMW 281F.

Opinion favours the VW factory museum.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Eeyore October 22nd 08 09:22 AM

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David Looser wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

If you are worried about an airplane's altitude to the 5th digit, you
obviously need to find something else to do with your mind! ;-)

Well OK I could have read my boring novel, or attempted to watch the
in-flight movie on a really crappy LCD monitor with the sound from a pair of
cheap earphones trying to compete with the background noise level. I think
I'd rather watch the numbers!


I take my own headphones. Beyer DT331s. You can get an adaptor for the dual
sockets on 747s too I recently discovered.

Graham


John Phillips[_2_] October 22nd 08 11:15 AM

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On 2008-10-21, David Looser wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

If you are worried about an airplane's altitude to the 5th digit, you
obviously need to find something else to do with your mind! ;-)

Well OK I could have read my boring novel, or attempted to watch the
in-flight movie on a really crappy LCD monitor with the sound from a pair of
cheap earphones trying to compete with the background noise level. I think
I'd rather watch the numbers!


I was stunned how bad the earphones were on my last transatlantic flight
(United). I didn't realize you could make something that sounded
that bad. Even the "free" earbuds that came with my last mp3 player
were high-end in comparison.

BTW, which part of the plane was the measurement centered at? ;-)


And, indeed, where is the reference point for the other end?

Goodness knows!, but whilst trundling around San Fransisco airport it
hovered around 42 feet, if that proves anything.


I once sat in a 747 on the ground at Kai Tak waiting for takeoff (a long
time ago) and noticed that we were apparently at -4 metres.

--
John Phillips

Jim Lesurf[_2_] October 22nd 08 01:05 PM

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In article , John Phillips
wrote:


I once sat in a 747 on the ground at Kai Tak waiting for takeoff (a long
time ago) and noticed that we were apparently at -4 metres.


Sound like the pilot was a little late with the round-out during the
previous decent. Perhaps understandable given the approach. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html


David Looser October 22nd 08 01:14 PM

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


I suspect your plane was more than 1 metre tall. :-)


It was a 747. I believe they are over 1m tall :-)

Did they say if the
height was measured to the seat of the pilot's chair, or to some other
reference? :-)


Nope.

David.



David Looser October 22nd 08 01:21 PM

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Funnily enough we've got four Band 1 transmitters , yes those
frequencies are still used, and the cores in one have all disintegrated
away whereas in the other their fine all about the same age!..

What do they transmit?

David.



Arny Krueger October 22nd 08 04:34 PM

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message

In article ,
John Phillips wrote:


I once sat in a 747 on the ground at Kai Tak waiting for
takeoff (a long time ago) and noticed that we were
apparently at -4 metres.


Sound like the pilot was a little late with the round-out
during the previous decent. Perhaps understandable given
the approach. :-)


I don't think its big enough to handle 747s, but I've visited this airport
in person, and it will send plane altimeters even further in the negative
direction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salton_Sea_Airport



Eeyore October 22nd 08 10:07 PM

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

John Phillips wrote:

I once sat in a 747 on the ground at Kai Tak waiting for takeoff (a long
time ago) and noticed that we were apparently at -4 metres.


Sound like the pilot was a little late with the round-out during the
previous decent. Perhaps understandable given the approach. :-)


LOL !

On one of many trips to Bombay / Mumbai on landing it's wasn't the usual BA
'greaser' (i.e. you hardly notice the touchdown). It wasn't a BAD landing, just
not quite their usual standard. Shortly after the F.O. came on the PA to
apologise on account of them having to avoid a dog crossing the runway !

Crazy country.

p.s. I've always found BA's cabin crew great too.

And avoid Air India. 'Palace in the skies' my arse! They have the sulkiest
cabin crew I've ever come across bar possibly Air France. Equal score actually
I'd say.

Lufthansa scores for sheer Germanic efficiency and consistency. Swissair (as
was) scores for the most beautiful member of cabin crew who relayed my request
to the Captain and I got to stay awhile on the flight deck of a 747-300 and
learnt a few things from him.

And then there was the flirt from a Easyjet 'air hostess'. That brightens your
day up too.

Graham


Robert Orban October 22nd 08 11:54 PM

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In article , says...

Thanks Bob !

Graham



Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Eeyore October 23rd 08 12:08 AM

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Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Just how smart are the Optimods these days ? I assume they're DSP based now
(oh you said so) and probably for some time.

I always though your objective was to reduce to the minimum any unwanted
audible artifacts through multiple band processing and the like..

Grham



Chris Hornbeck October 23rd 08 12:15 AM

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:54:32 -0800, Robert Orban
wrote:

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


It's also worth keeping in mind that, in America at least,
overmodulation is illegal. May not be much policed these days,
but still illegal.

It's back to the Wild West here in many respects, and violations
not involving the female breast or words learned in elementary
school are ignored in the interest of Free Enterprise. Such is life.

Blaming tools for business decisions is misplaced.


Much thanks, as always,
Chris Hornbeck

Eeyore October 23rd 08 12:32 AM

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Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


BTW, did you ever use 'optical' compression ? Vactrols etc.

Graham



tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:05 AM

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In article ,
Robert Orban scribeth thus
In article , says...

Thanks Bob !

Graham



Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Give 'em the weapons and they'll fight the ratings war;!...
--
Tony Sayer



tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:07 AM

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In article , Chris Hornbeck
scribeth thus
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:54:32 -0800, Robert Orban
wrote:

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


It's also worth keeping in mind that, in America at least,
overmodulation is illegal. May not be much policed these days,
but still illegal.


Its illegal most everywhere unless you're a London pirate, then you set
it wherever it will go ...

--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer October 23rd 08 09:09 AM

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In article , David Looser
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

Funnily enough we've got four Band 1 transmitters , yes those
frequencies are still used, and the cores in one have all disintegrated
away whereas in the other their fine all about the same age!..

What do they transmit?

David.



Their used for Audio links either Mono or Stereo further info here...

http://www.jfmg.co.uk/pages/freq/ground/40_100mhz.htm
--
Tony Sayer




Robert Orban October 28th 08 10:52 PM

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In article ,
says...




Robert Orban wrote:

says...

Thanks Bob !


Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


BTW, did you ever use 'optical' compression ? Vactrols etc.


Only once, for a cue amplifier in a one-off broadcast console I built in
the late '60s for a friend's radio station. I drove the lamp from the output
of the cue power amplifier, which made the compressor very cost-effective.

Optical compressors are very interesting because of their complex, program-
dependent attack and release times. However, IMO they are not adequately
repeatable in a mass-production environment, so I never seriously considered
using them commercially.

One of my competitors did (in a four-band processor) and it caused him and
his customers no end of grief with unit-to-unit consistency problems and
temperature sensitivity.


Robert Orban October 28th 08 11:01 PM

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Thanks Bob !

Him being the one who will be criticised on other groups for making DAB
and FM ever more distorted;!...


All modern DSP-based Optimods can be operated as exremely pure protection
limiters if that is what the broadcaster prefers, and we offer presets to
make this easy. I just make the artillery; I don't have any say in how
broadcasters choose to set it up!


Just how smart are the Optimods these days ? I assume they're DSP based now
(oh you said so) and probably for some time.


They're pretty smart :-). All of the manuals are available for free download
from ftp.orban.com, and these provide detailed descriptions of their
features. Our current top of the line processors are the 8500 for FM, the
9400 for AM, the 6300 for digital media, and the 8585 for surround. (The
8585 manual is coming soon; the otehr manuals are currently available.)


I always though your objective was to reduce to the minimum any unwanted
audible artifacts through multiple band processing and the like..


Yes. One can use a special form of multiband processing (with coupled bands
that only uncouple when necessary to prevent audible spectral gain
intermodulation) for protection limiting.

To process for loudness, one really needs to start with multiband processing
and complement it with various peak limiting tricks like distortion-
cancelled clipping, where the clipping distortion is removed in some
frequency bands. The nice side effect of doing such complex loudness
processing is that when backed off to give a more "purist" sound, the
processor causes far fewer audible artifacts than a simpler processor would.



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