"David Looser"

The CE mark is required for power supplies sold in Europe and India.


But bringing this back to the original point, the operative word above is
"sold".


** No it is not the " operative word" at all - it would not matter if you
gave them away.


If you put a transformer in a box for your own use you don't need "type
approval" (though if it's dangerous and somebody dies as a result you
might find yourself up on a charge of manslaughter).


** The issue here is NOT what someone might **choose** to do in the
privacy of their own workshop - but rather one of folk instructing
someone via a public forum ( hence ANYONE) to build an unsafe electrical
device that would not be permitted on sale BECAUSE it is unsafe.

I use my real name on usenet, so do you and many others - so are legally
responsible for what we post.

It is just NOT ON for any poster to declare he has no concern for safety
laws as the ****wit OP just did here.

Quote from Anton Gysen:

" Balls to health and safety. "

What an utter ass.



...... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

but we are considering what's inside this box:
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=320


** Huh ?

No link to any " box " there - ****head.

You have to create a session by selecting a country, then try accessing
the link again and it will bring you do the DacMagic page.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...



** The issue here is NOT what someone might **choose** to do in the
privacy of their own workshop - but rather one of folk instructing
someone via a public forum ( hence ANYONE) to build an unsafe electrical
device that would not be permitted on sale BECAUSE it is unsafe.

To be legally sold a thing needs to be more than just safe, it needs type
approval. It's not the type approval that makes it safe, that is just a
confirmation that the authorities accept that it, and all those exactly like
it, are safe.

A home built item may well be perfectly safe, as long as it is done in a
competent manner. It is also perfectly legal (in the UK at least) though the
constructor then takes full responsibility for it.

I did NOT "instruct" anyone to build anything. On the contrary I told the OP
that he should leave well alone. In his case he clearly has neither the
knowledge nor the skill to do the job properly

I use my real name on usenet, so do you and many others - so are legally
responsible for what we post.

Indeed.

It is just NOT ON for any poster to declare he has no concern for
safety laws as the ****wit OP just did here.

I agree totally.

David.

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

You are familiar with the regs in every country, are you?

Most countries use IEC regs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...cal_Commission

Broad specs only. In the UK it's the IEE regs that have to be followed for
domestic wiring.

Except in N America (UL CSA), where they are effectively being forced to
change their rules to comply with IEC or face being shut out of world
trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ce_mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ccc_mark The OZ (probably also used in NZ)
C-tick Mark hasn't yet made Wikipedia properly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_s...uter)#External

Common certification marks for safety are the UL mark, GS mark, TÜV,
NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO, CCC, CSA, VDE, GOST R and BSMI. Common
certificate marks for EMI/RFI are the CE mark, FCC and C-tick. The CE
mark is required for power supplies sold in Europe and India.

Needs editing since not entirely accurate.

All these apply to goods for sale. Not for home construction. Which is
just as well as type approval can be costly. However, things like the CE
mark are often self assessed rather than awarded after independent testing.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
David Looser wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message
...



Common certification marks for safety are the UL mark, GS mark, TÜV,
NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO, CCC, CSA, VDE, GOST R and BSMI. Common
certificate marks for EMI/RFI are the CE mark, FCC and C-tick. The CE
mark is required for power supplies sold in Europe and India.


But bringing this back to the original point, the operative word above
is "sold". If you put a transformer in a box for your own use you don't
need "type approval" (though if it's dangerous and somebody dies as a
result you might find yourself up on a charge of manslaughter).

Indeed. Although most who would attempt to build this sort of thing from
scratch are unlikely to be so stupid. A problem is far more likely with
assembling a kit and not following the instructions properly - as this is
where many start.

David.

--
*I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Quite the reverse. But I doubt you know all the wiring regs in your own
country - let alone others.

They are all almost universally IEC 60065 now.

Try saying that in the UK to get certification for an installation.

--
*Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Illegal to fit that except INSIDE equipment by a professional. Would
invalidate any house insurance.

Please give any instance of a claim being withheld due to this sort of
thing.
This sort of scare is often said. But never proved.

--
*Do paediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays?

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
YOU ASININE ****ING POMMY MORON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really should get your keyboard sorted. I realise there's nothing
you can do about your personality.

--
*I speak fluent patriarchy but it's not my mother tongue

Dave Plowman London SW
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Anton Gÿsen wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Anton Gÿsen wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

He's in the UK though.

It's mostly 240-252V here. Despite the EU. The Chinese don't understand this and
design for 230V
I'm getting 232V out at the moment. It does vary of course.

New build ? Distant location from a major town or city ?

No, it's an oldish bungalow on the outskirts of a town.

How old ? By new build I imagined that they may actually have tapped the local
distribution transformer for 230V you see. Not that they did that here about 6 yrs back
when a new one went in.

If you find ANY *rubber* covered wiring get it replaced INSTANTLY. It's usually black
rubber. The grey PVC identical looking aside from colour T&E (twin and earth) is good
for yonks normally.

Graham

Anton Gÿsen wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Anton Gÿsen wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Find your local electrician's supply shop. And explain properly and in detail your problem. You may
actually have 'iffy' wiring because since it's the UK that *should not* happen on account of UK wiring
being probably to the best standard in the world. You probably need a proper electrical test and
certification if switching on a TV set can **** things up. Wouldn't surprise me in the USA though.

The wiring in this place is pretty old. There's still some old sockets
with round connectors dotted around the place, but I don't think they're
wired up.

You haven't checked ? They went out around the late 1950s / early1960's

Yes, your wiring needs checking. Get it down soon before the house burns down.

I'm hoping to move out soon.

The modern sellers' packs may pick it up though. Be prepared for it and get a smoke alarm.

Graham