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"Chesney Christ" wrote in message
... A certain Keith G, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes : Digital music has been around for well over 20 years now. Yup and will be around forever - there's never any going back in this world. It just won't exist as CDs (or any other 'disk' form) for very much longer. What form do you have in mind ? Don't say "memory chips". You can't produce high-density (to the density of a modern dual-layer DVD) memory chips containing music in bulk for a few pence, and that won't be possible for many, many years. Wakey wakey Chezzer! - http://www.sandisk.com/pressrelease/...d512mb_1gb.htm (Free in Corn Flakes packets, this time next year......) The success of DVD (for any function) seems to suggest that disc media are still going strong. Apart from anything else, there ain't the profits in the hardware there used to be. Which hardware ? The industry itself, with it's bizarre ideas on copyright control, is doing the damage here. Inserting watermarks or other signals is perfectly possible to do on vinyl or analogue tape - it's just a recent phenomenon. Yes, as a result of 'digitising' music. Is road rage the result of people owning cars ? Yes, amongst other things far to abstruse to go into here. So a person who owns a car is likely to become road-enraged ? Far more so than someone who doesn't own or drive one.... Are domestic stabbings the result of people owning kitchen knives ? Same answer as before. So a couple who own kitchen knives are likely to stab each other ? Depends if she 'finds out'....... Also: More people wear spectacles these days for a number of reasons including the fact that there are more Opticians.... You'll find there are more hospitals and doctors as well. We're better at diagnosing medical problems than we were 50 years ago, and we're also better at curing them. Cause and effect. How does vinyl (a medium upon which little if any music is distributed on exclusively) avoid this problem ? I'm a bit lost here - are you referring to the 'copyright control' issue? If so the problem isn't in the medium, it's in the industry. Yes. Price a twinkly new CD (complete with a nice artwork, lyrics etc) at no more than, say, 4.99 (absolute tops for the very latest releases) and the same lazy old Joe Ordinaire will buy it instead of trying to rip it off and Car Boot, Pub and Street sellers of bootlegs will jack it in because it won't be worth the bother. Back catalogue at 2.99 will sell all day long, sprinkle a bit of 'you know it makes sense' on in an intelligent way and bootlegging will halve overnight. We agree on something at least, although I do not think the bootlegging problem is anywhere near as serious as the music biz says it is. Excuse me? There was summat on the boxes a couple of nights ago talking about losses to the 'music producers' in terms of *billions* per year..... People have been copying and taping music since recording devices became available. Yebbut, they didn't have the Internet, 24/7 Broadband and 40× drives to do it with in them days. Chez, mi amigo, I don't think you've got an inkling of a clue about how much pirated music (and movies) gets shunted round the world at the speed of (well not 'light' perhaps....) every single day. Let me just say, if you've got shares in EMI, I'd think about unloading them while you still can....... |
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A certain Keith G, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
What form do you have in mind ? Don't say "memory chips". You can't produce high-density (to the density of a modern dual-layer DVD) memory chips containing music in bulk for a few pence, and that won't be possible for many, many years. Wakey wakey Chezzer! - http://www.sandisk.com/pressrelease/...d512mb_1gb.htm These are very roughly 100x the per-gigabyte cost of a modern hard disk drive. I don't think we're there yet. (Free in Corn Flakes packets, this time next year......) I can't predict the future so discussion on this is academic, but I don't agree that it's going to be that quick. Not even the "small" 32MB cards have fallen to the point where they cost a few pence. The manufacturing process for memory devices is inherently wasteful (although improving) and is still quite complex, whereas a CD production plant can churn out prerecorded CDs and DVDs for almost nothing in bulk quantities. You're right to say that the future is in solid state memory devices, mainly because they're smaller and more practical. When that happens it'll be a great day (for everyone except folks with hangups about digital, for whom it'll be pretty much business as usual). But the quality of the stored data will be identical to the equivalent data stored CD, although less error correction will be required. We agree on something at least, although I do not think the bootlegging problem is anywhere near as serious as the music biz says it is. Excuse me? There was summat on the boxes a couple of nights ago talking about losses to the 'music producers' in terms of *billions* per year..... Consider the source. The RIAA and so on calculate their sums on the basis that every single copied track would have been bought legitimately, which obviously isn't true. People download stuff they'd never think of buying. The main reason for the losses in the music biz is to do with the sheer dreck they're churning out these days. People have been copying and taping music since recording devices became available. Yebbut, they didn't have the Internet, 24/7 Broadband and 40× drives to do it with in them days. Doesn't matter. I don't think the arrival of double-speed tape-to-tape devices doubled the rate of piracy, for example. Chez, mi amigo, I don't think you've got an inkling of a clue about how much pirated music (and movies) gets shunted round the world at the speed of (well not 'light' perhaps....) every single day. I do, I even work in telecoms. Let me just say, if you've got shares in EMI, I'd think about unloading them while you still can....... I'd never buy shares in the music business. Their tactics and business processes are despicable and the pumped-up manufactured music they churn out is utter dreck. -- "Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com |
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"Chesney Christ" wrote
snipped 'academic' bits We agree on something at least, although I do not think the bootlegging problem is anywhere near as serious as the music biz says it is. Excuse me? There was summat on the boxes a couple of nights ago talking about losses to the 'music producers' in terms of *billions* per year..... Consider the source. The RIAA and so on calculate their sums on the basis that every single copied track would have been bought legitimately, which obviously isn't true. OK, not worth arguing about. People download stuff they'd never think of buying. Yup. The main reason for the losses in the music biz is to do with the sheer dreck they're churning out these days. Yup and nope...... People have been copying and taping music since recording devices became available. Yebbut, they didn't have the Internet, 24/7 Broadband and 40× drives to do it with in them days. Doesn't matter. I don't think the arrival of double-speed tape-to-tape devices doubled the rate of piracy, for example. Adding the extra horse to your haycart didn't quite bring it up to Concorde's speed either. Chez, mi amigo, I don't think you've got an inkling of a clue about how much pirated music (and movies) gets shunted round the world at the speed of (well not 'light' perhaps....) every single day. I do, I even work in telecoms. No comment. Let me just say, if you've got shares in EMI, I'd think about unloading them while you still can....... I'd never buy shares in the music business. Their tactics and business processes are despicable and the pumped-up manufactured music they churn out is utter dreck. Yup. (No 'nope' this time.) Now ponder on one main area of my 'music tastes' - 30's, 40's and 50's Jazz - and see if you can squeeze vinyl into the equation somewhere.... ;-) |
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A certain Ronnie McKinley, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'd never buy shares in the music business. Their tactics and business processes are despicable and the pumped-up manufactured music they churn out is utter dreck. Oh so on principle you don't buy ANY reproduced music at all? Obviously not. I didn't say anything about principles, or about whether or not I buy music. Is it any wonder you're so good at hearing things that aren't there. -- "Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com |
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A certain Ronnie McKinley, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
In uk.rec.audio Chesney Christ wrote: A certain Ronnie McKinley, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes : I'd never buy shares in the music business. Their tactics and business processes are despicable and the pumped-up manufactured music they churn out is utter dreck. Oh so on principle you don't buy ANY reproduced music at all? Obviously not. "Obviously not" ?? Obviously not, what? I'm not playing, Ron. It's pretty silly to say that I never buy any reproduced music. For anyone with a bit of wit, it would seem pretty obvious that someone posting in a hifi group probably does. -- "Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com |
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A certain Ronnie McKinley, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
I'm not playing, Ron. It's pretty silly to say that I never buy any reproduced music. **I** never stated or **said** YOU didn't buy reproduced music, did I? What other way is there to interpret what you wrote below : "Oh so on principle you don't buy ANY reproduced music at all?" ??? Why did you write that ? I'm snipping all of your other arguments, it is impossible to argue with someone who insists on misrepresentation. I simply don't have time to bugger about with that. -- "Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com |
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"Keith G" wrote in message ... "Roy" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message ... "Roy" wrote in message ... I can rip the tracks to hard disc and they are perfectly OK, hence my comment about how wonderful so-called copy protection is. All it achieves is preventing me playing the original CD on a CD player. Hmm. Perhaps it's trying to tell you something.......... If it's trying to tell me something it should speak more clearly. Although I have noticed that following Philips legal intervention these EMI copy protected disc no longer display the Compact Disc logo - 'cos they're not red book standard. Red Book? Forget it, Roy - that's out the window now, matey! So it seems, but my (and I suspect your) CD player is designed to play discs produced to that standard. Roy. |
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