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Since I just came across my first problem CD and I haven't seen any mention
of them here for a while, I wondered if people are still finding them
troublesome. To be honest until I got this disc I thought the complaints
were, well, a bit exaggerated. I've changed my mind.

The disc is Mariza, Fado Curvo, on EMI Valentim De Carvalho". Lo and behold
I found it listed on http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/bad/ - I should have looked
first shouldn't I?

The effect on my AVI CD player is odd, there is a nasty sounding glitch a
few seconds into the start of every track, then the rest of the track plays
fine.

It plays OK on my PC (using the player bundled on the CD - yuk) and what's
more I can rip the tracks using Roxio - so I could produce a perfectly
usable Red Book CD if I felt so inclined! What a stunningly successful Copy
Protection scheme that is!!

Roy.

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"Roy" wrote in message
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"TT" wrote in message
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:
I recently had a similar problem when I ripped the DD2.0 track
off a DVD-A disc. A loud (and I mean speaker damaging loud)
squeal/click from the LH speaker at the end of the first 5
tracks. To overcome it I used Nero to cut the offending bit out
and then used a steeper fade out to cover the cut.

You could try this in reverse and use a fade in. What I couldn't
overcome was the "watermark" on track 9 - a 16KHz sine wave
through the whole track at just below music level. Almost
unnoticeable in my car BUT un-listenable in my home system. Oh
well cut track 9 :-(

Hope this helps TT


I can rip the tracks to hard disc and they are perfectly OK, hence my
comment about how wonderful so-called copy protection is. All it achieves
is
preventing me playing the original CD on a CD player. Hmm.



Perhaps it's trying to tell you something..........

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Roy" wrote in message
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I can rip the tracks to hard disc and they are perfectly OK, hence my
comment about how wonderful so-called copy protection is. All it
achieves
is
preventing me playing the original CD on a CD player. Hmm.



Perhaps it's trying to tell you something..........


If it's trying to tell me something it should speak more clearly. Although I
have noticed that following Philips legal intervention these EMI copy
protected disc no longer display the Compact Disc logo - 'cos they're not
red book standard.

Roy.

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"TT" wrote


I recently had a similar problem when I ripped the DD2.0 track
off a DVD-A disc. A loud (and I mean speaker damaging loud)
squeal/click from the LH speaker at the end of the first 5
tracks. To overcome it I used Nero to cut the offending bit out
and then used a steeper fade out to cover the cut.

You could try this in reverse and use a fade in. What I couldn't
overcome was the "watermark" on track 9 - a 16KHz sine wave
through the whole track at just below music level. Almost
unnoticeable in my car BUT un-listenable in my home system. Oh
well cut track 9 :-(



TT, I admire your balls posting this here.

It's about time a few of the 'home truths' concerning the quagmire that
digital music's getting itself into these days - too many 'digi****s' here
have been getting away with the 'it's digital, so it's perfect' mantra for
too long. About the only certainty in 'digital' atm is that whatever player
you go out and buy this afternoon, you can bet your butt that, within 2
years, it will turn out to have been the *wrong* one.....

30/40 years ago: 'Taping music is killing the industry'

Today: 'Digital music is killing the industry'........

(Having said all that, I'm sorry to hear you are having problems,
nevertheless.)

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"Roy" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"Roy" wrote in message
...
I can rip the tracks to hard disc and they are perfectly OK, hence my
comment about how wonderful so-called copy protection is. All it
achieves
is
preventing me playing the original CD on a CD player. Hmm.



Perhaps it's trying to tell you something..........


If it's trying to tell me something it should speak more clearly. Although
I
have noticed that following Philips legal intervention these EMI copy
protected disc no longer display the Compact Disc logo - 'cos they're not
red book standard.



Red Book? Forget it, Roy - that's out the window now, matey!

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A certain Keith G, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

30/40 years ago: 'Taping music is killing the industry'

That was as ******** then as it is now.

Today: 'Digital music is killing the industry'........

This is what you call a troll. Digital music isn't killing the industry.
The industry itself, with it's bizarre ideas on copyright control, is
doing the damage here. Inserting watermarks or other signals is
perfectly possible to do on vinyl or analogue tape - it's just a recent
phenomenon.

I think it's rather sad for you to use this rather serious issue for all
music listeners as a personal soapbox. The truth is that almost all
music is distributed digitally, and there is no way to obtain most
modern musical works outside of CD or DVD. Given that, can you explain
the alternatives ?

--

"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com

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"Chesney Christ" wrote in message
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A certain Keith G, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

30/40 years ago: 'Taping music is killing the industry'

That was as ******** then as it is now.

Today: 'Digital music is killing the industry'........

This is what you call a troll. Digital music isn't killing the industry.


Oh yes it is, wait and see.



The industry itself, with it's bizarre ideas on copyright control, is
doing the damage here. Inserting watermarks or other signals is
perfectly possible to do on vinyl or analogue tape - it's just a recent
phenomenon.


Yes, as a result of 'digitising' music. (Kinda shot themselves in the foot
with it....)


I think it's rather sad for you to use this rather serious issue for all
music listeners as a personal soapbox.


Get real. Try to avoid the personal abuse of the more seasoned 'vinyl
bashers' round here - doesn't make 'em look too bright.....


The truth is that almost all
music is distributed digitally, and there is no way to obtain most
modern musical works outside of CD or DVD. Given that, can you explain
the alternatives ?


Yup, buy more vinyl - the MI will be absolutely bloody relieved to sell it
to you - see earlier remark about taping.

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Hi,

In message , Roy
writes

If it's trying to tell me something it should speak more clearly. Although I
have noticed that following Philips legal intervention these EMI copy
protected disc no longer display the Compact Disc logo - 'cos they're not
red book standard.

It's about time, too. Putting the CD logo on non-red book compliant CDs
is fraud, in my book. I'm glad to see that at least some of the big
studios are at least leaving the logos off 'toyed with' CDs.


--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

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"Chesney Christ" wrote in message
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: A certain TT, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :
:
: You could try this in reverse and use a fade in. What I
couldn't
: overcome was the "watermark" on track 9 - a 16KHz sine wave
: through the whole track at just below music level.
:
: Sounds like a very bad fault on the original recording. A
watermark
: isn't a soundwave, and if it were, it would present on more
than one
: track.
:
: Very bad luck there.
:
: --
:
: "Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." -
cnn.com
:

I would like to clear up a few points first. I'm not a pirate
and am not doing this for financial gain or distributing any
copied material. When I buy a disc I want to listen to it in my
car. SACD/DVD-A/V presents a problem with this. If I legally
own music I expect to able to use it - in *all* my players. No
different from my vinyl days when I used to tape my LPs to play
in my car (or at parties).

Disc in question is REM - Automatic for the People DVD-A. It is
an exceptional recording and I would rate it as one of the better
hi-res discs I own. I have copied the Dolby Digital 2.0 track
off this disc and once copied it shows these anomalies. Clicking
through the left channel at the end of the first 5 tracks and a
16KHz noise on track 9 "Star Me Kitten" For DD it is a very good
recording and if it was all I had it would be more than adequate
;-) And for a car it is perfect.

The original does not show these traits only the copied material
whether on a HD or burnt to a disc. BTW when played over crappy
little computer speakers you don't hear the 16KHz noise anyway
;-)

I am not complaining about this only passing comment and trying
to help the original poster and saying how I managed to get
around it as a matter of interest.

Regards TT

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A certain Keith G, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

Digital music has been around for well over 20 years now.

Yup and will be around forever - there's never any going back in this world.
It just won't exist as CDs (or any other 'disk' form) for very much longer.

What form do you have in mind ? Don't say "memory chips". You can't
produce high-density (to the density of a modern dual-layer DVD) memory
chips containing music in bulk for a few pence, and that won't be
possible for many, many years.

The success of DVD (for any function) seems to suggest that disc media
are still going strong.

Apart from anything else, there ain't the profits in the hardware there used
to be.

Which hardware ?

The industry itself, with it's bizarre ideas on copyright control, is
doing the damage here. Inserting watermarks or other signals is
perfectly possible to do on vinyl or analogue tape - it's just a recent
phenomenon.

Yes, as a result of 'digitising' music.

Is road rage the result of people owning cars ?

Yes, amongst other things far to abstruse to go into here.

So a person who owns a car is likely to become road-enraged ?

Are domestic stabbings
the result of people owning kitchen knives ?

Same answer as before.

So a couple who own kitchen knives are likely to stab each other ?

Also: More people wear spectacles these days for a number of reasons
including the fact that there are more Opticians....

You'll find there are more hospitals and doctors as well. We're better
at diagnosing medical problems than we were 50 years ago, and we're also
better at curing them. Cause and effect.

How does vinyl (a medium upon which little if any music is distributed
on exclusively) avoid this problem ?

I'm a bit lost here - are you referring to the 'copyright control' issue? If
so the problem isn't in the medium, it's in the industry.

Yes.

Price a twinkly new CD (complete with a nice artwork, lyrics etc) at no more
than, say, 4.99 (absolute tops for the very latest releases) and the same
lazy old Joe Ordinaire will buy it instead of trying to rip it off and Car
Boot, Pub and Street sellers of bootlegs will jack it in because it won't be
worth the bother. Back catalogue at 2.99 will sell all day long, sprinkle a
bit of 'you know it makes sense' on in an intelligent way and bootlegging
will halve overnight.

We agree on something at least, although I do not think the bootlegging
problem is anywhere near as serious as the music biz says it is. People
have been copying and taping music since recording devices became
available.

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"Jokes mentioning ducks were considered particularly funny." - cnn.com