"Don Pearce" wrote in message news:4988ac99.103692125@localhost...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:57:14 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get
the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one
is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella.
(spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each
for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong
600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss
bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is
close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push
out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I
either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations.
Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from
the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d

Just recorded a chunk of a few seconds. First half is as received,
then the second is after I have fixed it in Adobe Audition by
re-aligning the L&R channels.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kuaz.mp3

I don't know how they could get this so badly wrong.

d

Or even how. I can't think offhand of any mechanism that would do that. As
far as I know streaming encoders treat L&R equally, so why there would be a
fixed delay between them is a mystery to me.

S.
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In article 4987a9b2.102949921@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:


Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead.

When I tried the URL I have for their webpage this morning their server
gave me an error. Ditto if I tried to get to the KUAT page from the main
'Arizona' page. So I guess the either have a problem or are changing their
web resources.

Not tried KUAZ so can't comment on that. I'll check to see if KUAT is 'on
air'. If so, I'll post the pls details I have.

....just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in
correctly the stream address I have is

http://streaming.azpm.org:80/kuat192.mp3

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , tony sayer

wrote:


Have a look at Bayern Klassik 4 and France Musique dunno what their like
on the net but there're sure good on Satellite)..

URLs?

The problem I am having is that searches via google and some of the
specific pages on this don't seem to turn up the listings of stations I'd
expect. No idea why. Maybe I'm not choosing the correct search strings or
whatever...

Slainte,

Jim

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There are lots of sites, like Mike's Radio World, but classical, and indeed
anything in India are nearly all rubbish quality.
I have had problems with streaming above about 96 bps at congested times in
the UK, there are often gaps and hiccups as if there is a problem somewhere
else in the chain of interconnects.
Even the Aussie DIG stations appear to now be using 80 bps and win media
feeds.
I really must stress that the win media feeds are now streets ahead of the
others for listenable compression.
Do not bother with China, they seem to be all real and rubbish bit rates.
Brian

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Brian Gaff
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss
bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations.
Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from
the
subcontinent?

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

One of the main reasons why its hard to get internet radio listings and to
get it off the ground as aserious medium is the constant changing of
straming providers and hence burls all the time. Also add to the mix the
rights issue and you find that stations that are there are not allowed to be
heard outside of the country of origin.
Brian

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Don Pearce wrote in message news:4987a9b2.102949921@localhost...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss
bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations.
Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from
the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d

http://krfc.serverroom.us:4786/hifi.m3u

http://www.nederland.fm/


http://mikesradioworld.com/

Brian

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Brian Gaff
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
Hi,

During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my
connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet
radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if
this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't
present! :-)

My interest is in three areas of music.

1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But
stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or
Brahms.

2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra.
:-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music
like those from the 'far east'.

3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy
listening' or 'MOR' under another name.

FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or
'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc.
Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing.

Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list
them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra.
:-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music
like those from the 'far east'.

3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy
listening' or 'MOR' under another name.

FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or
'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc.
Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing.

Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list
them? Or don't they exist?...

My favourite station is KFJC - http://kfjc.org/. I listen on a 128kbs
MP3 stream.

There's not much classical music played, of any kind, but quite a lot of
jazz, and a lot of contemporary music, mostly at the avant-garde end of
the spectrum (though some is more accessible).

You don't say what kind of jazz you like. But for example, on Friday
morning I listened to:

http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=31995

You have to tune in at the right time (they're eight hours behind us).
Most of the time something is playing that I can listen to, though
sometimes it'll be just too horrific to bear for long, even for me (and
some of the things I enjoy listening to make other people ask "What on
earth is that noise?"

I don't know any other stations where the same DJ will play Scriabin,
Dizzy Gillespie, the Rolling Stones and Miles Davis in the same set.

Daniele

Jim Lesurf wrote:

...just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in
correctly

You seem to have added some extra letters - ostakovch. :-)

--
Eiron.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:56:59 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article 4987a9b2.102949921@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:


Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead.

When I tried the URL I have for their webpage this morning their server
gave me an error. Ditto if I tried to get to the KUAT page from the main
'Arizona' page. So I guess the either have a problem or are changing their
web resources.

Not tried KUAZ so can't comment on that. I'll check to see if KUAT is 'on
air'. If so, I'll post the pls details I have.

...just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in
correctly the stream address I have is

http://streaming.azpm.org:80/kuat192.mp3

KUAT sounds just fine - fairly good image. KUAZ is still all over the
place. If KUAT is using 192kb/sec I would say it is doing not quite as
well as AAC at 64kb/sec. Amazing what they can cram into a codec these
days.

d

Jim Lesurf wrote:
Hi,

During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my
connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet
radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if
this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't
present! :-)

Consider purchasing an 'internet radio'. No messing about with software,
unless ye want to :-)

Most have a built-in function to scroll and see what's available, and
some (like my Squeezebox 3*) sound better on playback than what's
possible using audio chips on most items of computer hardware.

BTW the 'Real' format for anything audio and video sucks big time, and
is not widely supported on independent equipment destined for higher
quality use.

* - though unfortunately ye need a mainstream OS box to run that, unless
building into dedicated hardware like a NAS.

--
Adrian C