Hi,

During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my
connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet
radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if
this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't
present! :-)

My interest is in three areas of music.

1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But
stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or
Brahms.

2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra.
:-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music
like those from the 'far east'.

3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy
listening' or 'MOR' under another name.

FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or
'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc.
Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing.

Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list
them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Hi,

During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my
connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet
radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if
this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't
present! :-)

My interest is in three areas of music.

1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But
stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or
Brahms.

2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra.
:-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music
like those from the 'far east'.

3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy
listening' or 'MOR' under another name.

FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or
'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc.
Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing.

Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list
them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

Jim, have a look he

http://www.tuner2.com/

Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+
compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together
a basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...?

d

In article 498575e7.89689687@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:


Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that
list them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

Jim, have a look he

http://www.tuner2.com/

Thanks. :-)

Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+
compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together a
basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...?

Yes, I've been able to do that for a decade or more. Indeed, I've had a
'doze laptop sitting in the corner for years, and use it for about 30mins
per month. However as a matter of choice I don't like using 'doze, and
prefer 'open' standards methods.

Slainte,

Jim


d

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:56:52 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article 498575e7.89689687@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:


Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that
list them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

Jim, have a look he

http://www.tuner2.com/

Thanks. :-)

Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+
compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together a
basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...?

Yes, I've been able to do that for a decade or more. Indeed, I've had a
'doze laptop sitting in the corner for years, and use it for about 30mins
per month. However as a matter of choice I don't like using 'doze, and
prefer 'open' standards methods.

Slainte,

Jim

Ok, but I think by now we will have to call AAC an open standard - it
is certainly the best way I know to stream audio at decent quality and
reasonable bit rates.

d

Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows
media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Very few stations seem
to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to
squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase
resolution on stereo.

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time.
Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has
classics shows that sound reasonable.
Brian

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
Hi,

During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my
connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet
radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if
this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't
present! :-)

My interest is in three areas of music.

1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But
stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or
Brahms.

2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra.
:-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music
like those from the 'far east'.

3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy
listening' or 'MOR' under another name.

FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or
'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc.
Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing.

Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list
them? Or don't they exist?...

Slainte,

Jim

--
Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
Electronics
http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the
subcontinent?

Slainte,

Jim

--
Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:57:14 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d

Just recorded a chunk of a few seconds. First half is as received,
then the second is after I have fixed it in Adobe Audition by
re-aligning the L&R channels.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kuaz.mp3

I don't know how they could get this so badly wrong.

d

"Don Pearce" wrote in message news:4988ac99.103692125@localhost...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:57:14 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get
the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one
is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella.
(spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each
for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong
600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss
bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is
close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push
out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I
either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations.
Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from
the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d

Just recorded a chunk of a few seconds. First half is as received,
then the second is after I have fixed it in Adobe Audition by
re-aligning the L&R channels.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kuaz.mp3

I don't know how they could get this so badly wrong.

d

Or even how. I can't think offhand of any mechanism that would do that. As
far as I know streaming encoders treat L&R equally, so why there would be a
fixed delay between them is a mystery to me.

S.
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One of the main reasons why its hard to get internet radio listings and to
get it off the ground as aserious medium is the constant changing of
straming providers and hence burls all the time. Also add to the mix the
rights issue and you find that stations that are there are not allowed to be
heard outside of the country of origin.
Brian

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Don Pearce wrote in message news:4987a9b2.102949921@localhost...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the
windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds.

Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the
things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is
providing what I was interested in. :-)

Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats
do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with
some loss of phase resolution on stereo.

Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is
streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical
music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?)
At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for
a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600,
Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss
bland
Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close
enough to serve. ;-

There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out
gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community
stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that
sound reasonable. Brian

List of URLs? :-)

I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9
'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all
classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either
get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after!

The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations.
Surely
there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list
that I got by searching it for classical.

Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive
listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should
be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from
the
subcontinent?

Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now,
so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable
stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but
no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No
idea what may have happened there.

d