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Internet radio - classical music, etc
Hi,
During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote: Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim Jim, have a look he http://www.tuner2.com/ Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+ compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together a basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...? d |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article 498575e7.89689687@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim Jim, have a look he http://www.tuner2.com/ Thanks. :-) Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+ compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together a basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...? Yes, I've been able to do that for a decade or more. Indeed, I've had a 'doze laptop sitting in the corner for years, and use it for about 30mins per month. However as a matter of choice I don't like using 'doze, and prefer 'open' standards methods. Slainte, Jim d -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:56:52 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote: In article 498575e7.89689687@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote: On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:09:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim Jim, have a look he http://www.tuner2.com/ Thanks. :-) Masses of stations, and some of them really high quality with AAC+ compression. Winamp will play these - you must be able to put together a basic windows machine out of odds and sods by now...? Yes, I've been able to do that for a decade or more. Indeed, I've had a 'doze laptop sitting in the corner for years, and use it for about 30mins per month. However as a matter of choice I don't like using 'doze, and prefer 'open' standards methods. Slainte, Jim Ok, but I think by now we will have to call AAC an open standard - it is certainly the best way I know to stream audio at decent quality and reasonable bit rates. d |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
Jim Lesurf wrote:
Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) Plenty of jazz radio stations mentioned in this thread on the jazz-west coast mailing list: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/16493 |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article , Brian Gaff
wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article , Jim Lesurf
scribeth thus Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. Have a look at Bayern Klassik 4 and France Musique dunno what their like on the net but there're sure good on Satellite:)).. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim -- Tony Sayer |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No idea what may have happened there. d |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:57:14 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No idea what may have happened there. d Just recorded a chunk of a few seconds. First half is as received, then the second is after I have fixed it in Adobe Audition by re-aligning the L&R channels. http://81.174.169.10/odds/kuaz.mp3 I don't know how they could get this so badly wrong. d |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
"Don Pearce" wrote in message news:4988ac99.103692125@localhost... On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:57:14 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote: On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No idea what may have happened there. d Just recorded a chunk of a few seconds. First half is as received, then the second is after I have fixed it in Adobe Audition by re-aligning the L&R channels. http://81.174.169.10/odds/kuaz.mp3 I don't know how they could get this so badly wrong. d Or even how. I can't think offhand of any mechanism that would do that. As far as I know streaming encoders treat L&R equally, so why there would be a fixed delay between them is a mystery to me. S. -- http://audiopages.googlepages.com |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article 4987a9b2.102949921@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. When I tried the URL I have for their webpage this morning their server gave me an error. Ditto if I tried to get to the KUAT page from the main 'Arizona' page. So I guess the either have a problem or are changing their web resources. Not tried KUAZ so can't comment on that. I'll check to see if KUAT is 'on air'. If so, I'll post the pls details I have. ....just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in correctly the stream address I have is http://streaming.azpm.org:80/kuat192.mp3 Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article , tony sayer
wrote: Have a look at Bayern Klassik 4 and France Musique dunno what their like on the net but there're sure good on Satellite:)).. URLs? The problem I am having is that searches via google and some of the specific pages on this don't seem to turn up the listings of stations I'd expect. No idea why. Maybe I'm not choosing the correct search strings or whatever... Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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There are lots of sites, like Mike's Radio World, but classical, and indeed
anything in India are nearly all rubbish quality. I have had problems with streaming above about 96 bps at congested times in the UK, there are often gaps and hiccups as if there is a problem somewhere else in the chain of interconnects. Even the Aussie DIG stations appear to now be using 80 bps and win media feeds. I really must stress that the win media feeds are now streets ahead of the others for listenable compression. Do not bother with China, they seem to be all real and rubbish bit rates. Brian -- My Google mail account Brian Gaff "Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
One of the main reasons why its hard to get internet radio listings and to
get it off the ground as aserious medium is the constant changing of straming providers and hence burls all the time. Also add to the mix the rights issue and you find that stations that are there are not allowed to be heard outside of the country of origin. Brian -- My Google mail account Brian Gaff Don Pearce wrote in message news:4987a9b2.102949921@localhost... On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) Very few stations seem to be above evn 64kbits and the windows formats do seem to be able to squeeze listenable stuff out of this, albeit with some loss of phase resolution on stereo. Well, the best classical I've found so far is KUAT Tucson. This is streaming mp3 at 192kbps, and does have a decent variety of classical music. Yesterday they were playing Stravinsky's Pulchinella. (spelling?) At the moment they are playing Sibelius Tapiola. Only listened to each for a short time, and via the mid-fi system in the dining room (Armstrong 600, Spendor LS3/5As) but the results are enjoyable. Also unlike the Swiss bland Classic the announcements are in English... well, American, which is close enough to serve. ;- There are some German stations with 192, in mp3, but they just push out gold station rubbish most of the time. Some of the US community stations like the one in Fort Colins on 96bps has classics shows that sound reasonable. Brian List of URLs? :-) I've now had a look at the 'tuner2.com' list. That only gave me 9 'classical' stations, and with the exception of a Hungarian one, all classicfm clones. When I search it for indian or indian classical I either get nothing, or a bollywood station. Not exactly what I was after! The 'tuner2.com' site only listed a total of just over 200 stations. Surely there are thousands of stations? The KUAT one wasn't on the tuner2 list that I got by searching it for classical. Is there not a bigger site somewhere that gives a more comprehensive listing? One no biassed to the bland and predictable? Surely there should be dozens of stations like KUAT, and bags of indian music stations from the subcontinent? Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. Very odd - no discernable stereo image. I thought at first it was being sent out of phase, but no. Instead there is a delay of about 3msec between left and right. No idea what may have happened there. d |
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http://krfc.serverroom.us:4786/hifi.m3u
http://www.nederland.fm/ http://mikesradioworld.com/ Brian -- My Google mail account Brian Gaff "Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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Jim Lesurf wrote:
2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... My favourite station is KFJC - http://kfjc.org/. I listen on a 128kbs MP3 stream. There's not much classical music played, of any kind, but quite a lot of jazz, and a lot of contemporary music, mostly at the avant-garde end of the spectrum (though some is more accessible). You don't say what kind of jazz you like. But for example, on Friday morning I listened to: http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=31995 You have to tune in at the right time (they're eight hours behind us). Most of the time something is playing that I can listen to, though sometimes it'll be just too horrific to bear for long, even for me (and some of the things I enjoy listening to make other people ask "What on earth is that noise?" I don't know any other stations where the same DJ will play Scriabin, Dizzy Gillespie, the Rolling Stones and Miles Davis in the same set. Daniele |
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Jim Lesurf wrote:
...just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in correctly You seem to have added some extra letters - ostakovch. :-) -- Eiron. |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:56:59 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote: In article 4987a9b2.102949921@localhost, Don Pearce (Don Pearce) wrote: On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:24:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf wrote: Jim - just tried to listen to KUAT, but it isn't on the air right now, so tried KUAZ, its sister station instead. When I tried the URL I have for their webpage this morning their server gave me an error. Ditto if I tried to get to the KUAT page from the main 'Arizona' page. So I guess the either have a problem or are changing their web resources. Not tried KUAZ so can't comment on that. I'll check to see if KUAT is 'on air'. If so, I'll post the pls details I have. ...just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in correctly the stream address I have is http://streaming.azpm.org:80/kuat192.mp3 KUAT sounds just fine - fairly good image. KUAZ is still all over the place. If KUAT is using 192kb/sec I would say it is doing not quite as well as AAC at 64kb/sec. Amazing what they can cram into a codec these days. d |
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Jim Lesurf wrote:
Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) Consider purchasing an 'internet radio'. No messing about with software, unless ye want to :-) Most have a built-in function to scroll and see what's available, and some (like my Squeezebox 3*) sound better on playback than what's possible using audio chips on most items of computer hardware. BTW the 'Real' format for anything audio and video sucks big time, and is not widely supported on independent equipment destined for higher quality use. * - though unfortunately ye need a mainstream OS box to run that, unless building into dedicated hardware like a NAS. -- Adrian C |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff wrote: Well, real is no great loss quality wise, but you really do need the windows media formats as they do have one of the best sounds. Afraid I cannae be bothered to waste my time with 'doze. Easier to get the things I want in other ways. TBH I can live without net radio if no-one is providing what I was interested in. :-) I think if you can suffer one of the mainstream OSs you'll find it *saves* you time. I've just had a quick look at my computer's media player (iTunes) and I can see several hundred internet radio stations listed. Rob |
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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim -- Go to www.reciva.com - that is where the WiFi radios get their station lists and feeds from. If it is not on there then forget it. Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! |
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In article ,
James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Which will in most cases sound better than FM if you have a less than perfect signal for that. Other option is a FreeView tuner for radio. Not everyone will want a noisy PC in the room if they're doing serious radio listening. BTW - I've never heard a decent DAB radio sound as bad as MW. -- *Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... BTW - I've never heard a decent DAB radio sound as bad as MW. Where I live in East Anglia, MW is pretty much useless. The only station I can at anything approaching usable quality is BBC World Service, everything else is buried under a mush of interference. OTOH I do get excellent BBC FM from a transmitter just a few miles away and I also use digital satellite for stations that aren't on FM. Until recently I had never listened to DAB, but I bought my daughter a DAB radio for Christmas (she's a fan of BBC7) and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it sounded after seeing DAB regularly rubbished here. David. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Not consistantly. They use (barely acceptable) 192 kbps in the evening, but frequently this drops to 160 during the day. |
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In article ,
Adrian C wrote: Consider purchasing an 'internet radio'. No messing about with software, unless ye want to :-) I may do so, eventually. The idea then would be a device that also offers LPCM digital output for passing to a decent DAC and/or recording. But at present I'm just exploring and experimenting to see what 'stations' are available and how well they work. Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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In article ,
Mildew Spores wrote: http://krfc.serverroom.us:4786/hifi.m3u http://www.nederland.fm/ http://mikesradioworld.com/ Many thanks for the above! :-) Foillowing just a brief look at the above sites I was able to get streams from stations like Bayern, Netherlands Radio 4 Live, etc, at quite healthy datarates. Not sure if my experience so far is a reliable guide. But yesterday I seemed to have no problem getting reliable 192 or 256 kbps streams from some european stations. Many more, now, to try... :-) Wonder why my google searches failed to throw up the above addresses. I felt sure some decent lists and stations must exist, but until you posted the above I failed to track any down, with the single exception of the rather obscure KUAT. Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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In article , Eiron
wrote: Jim Lesurf wrote: ...just checked and they are playing Shostakovitch. If I've typed it in correctly You seem to have added some extra letters - ostakovch. :-) Afraid there are problems with my translations from Cyrillic. :-) Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote: In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Which will in most cases sound better than FM if you have a less than perfect signal for that. Other option is a FreeView tuner for radio. Not everyone will want a noisy PC in the room if they're doing serious radio listening. FWIW In recent years I have ended up preferring R3 via DTTV. This is using systems which have decent FM tuners that allow me to do A/B comparisons whenever I wish. IIRC I've summarised the reasons on this group more than once, so won't recap. Also, it seems to me at present at least plausible that decent stations with mp3 rates of 192kbps or higher should not sound poorer than DTTV R3 - provided of course that the broadcasters provide good source material and I can get reliable 'reception'. Hard for me to assess this at present as I'm just using my computer's DACs and an application to act as tuner. If nothing else, I have reasons to expect the computer part of that to be less than 'audiophile'. :-) But I may well try out an 'internet radio' if my experiences in the next few weeks make that seem worth exploring. At present I am simply exploring and finding out what may be available. Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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In article , James R
scribeth thus "Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... Hi, During the last week or so I finally changed over to broadband for my connection. One of the things I have since started to explore is 'internet radio'. However I haven't yet found much that is interesting. Wondering if this is because I haven't yet looked in the right places, or if it isn't present! :-) My interest is in three areas of music. 1) 'Classical' music. By this I don't just mean clones of Classic FM. But stations that are as likely to play Stravinsky or Britten as Beethoven or Brahms. 2) 'Classical Indian'. Again, I don't just mean Ravi Shankar or Bangra. :-) I am also interested in other forms of non-European 'classical' music like those from the 'far east'. 3) Jazz. As with the above, with a decent range of content. Not just 'easy listening' or 'MOR' under another name. FWIW Since I don't use windows/mac/linux I can't access 'real audio' or 'wma' streams. So am looking for open formats based on mp3, etc. Preferrably 192kbps or 128kbps to make the results worth hearing. Anyone know of some good stations, or can point me to websites that list them? Or don't they exist?... Slainte, Jim -- Go to www.reciva.com - that is where the WiFi radios get their station lists and feeds from. If it is not on there then forget it. Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! In fact we now have Two of these units.. FM and Internet for general purpose listening they work very well over our home wireless link.. For more serious use FM and Satellite:).. -- Tony Sayer |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Which will in most cases sound better than FM if you have a less than perfect signal for that. Other option is a FreeView tuner for radio. Not everyone will want a noisy PC in the room if they're doing serious radio listening. BTW - I've never heard a decent DAB radio sound as bad as MW. Which seems to be why a lot of people are buying DAB so as to hear Radio 5 live better. Which is quite clear in my car on AM ... Course your mileage may differ;)).. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Mike O'Sullivan
scribeth thus Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Not consistantly. They use (barely acceptable) 192 kbps in the evening, but frequently this drops to 160 during the day. For a serious state broadcaster the BBC could use 256 K or better on satellite but they steadfastly refuse to do so. Even the TV uses 256 K on Freeview!.. -- Tony Sayer |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
In article , Jim Lesurf
scribeth thus In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Which will in most cases sound better than FM if you have a less than perfect signal for that. Other option is a FreeView tuner for radio. Not everyone will want a noisy PC in the room if they're doing serious radio listening. FWIW In recent years I have ended up preferring R3 via DTTV. This is using systems which have decent FM tuners that allow me to do A/B comparisons whenever I wish. IIRC I've summarised the reasons on this group more than once, so won't recap. Also, it seems to me at present at least plausible that decent stations with mp3 rates of 192kbps or higher should not sound poorer than DTTV R3 - provided of course that the broadcasters provide good source material and I can get reliable 'reception'. Hard for me to assess this at present as I'm just using my computer's DACs and an application to act as tuner. If nothing else, I have reasons to expect the computer part of that to be less than 'audiophile'. :-) But I may well try out an 'internet radio' if my experiences in the next few weeks make that seem worth exploring. At present I am simply exploring and finding out what may be available. Slainte, Jim U should get a satellite receiver Jim and hear what your missing.. All the ones we've got have got SPDIF outs.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article ,
David Looser wrote: Where I live in East Anglia, MW is pretty much useless. The only station I can at anything approaching usable quality is BBC World Service, everything else is buried under a mush of interference. OTOH I do get excellent BBC FM from a transmitter just a few miles away and I also use digital satellite for stations that aren't on FM. Until recently I had never listened to DAB, but I bought my daughter a DAB radio for Christmas (she's a fan of BBC7) and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it sounded after seeing DAB regularly rubbished here. Indeed. But of course it's fashionable to slag off DAB - even from those who normally listen to their music off low bitrate MP3, etc. To say 128kbps DAB sounds worse than MW is simply nonsense and does no credit to its opponents. I also wonder how many who say 'internet' radio sounds better than DAB are comparing like for like. Do they have a DAB tuner fed into the same sound system as their PC? Or are they comparing their PC sound system to a DAB portable radio? -- *Do paediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: Which seems to be why a lot of people are buying DAB so as to hear Radio 5 live better. Which is quite clear in my car on AM ... Course your mileage may differ;)).. R7 in my case. ;-) -- *That's it! I‘m calling grandma! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , David Looser wrote: Where I live in East Anglia, MW is pretty much useless. The only station I can at anything approaching usable quality is BBC World Service, everything else is buried under a mush of interference. OTOH I do get excellent BBC FM from a transmitter just a few miles away and I also use digital satellite for stations that aren't on FM. Until recently I had never listened to DAB, but I bought my daughter a DAB radio for Christmas (she's a fan of BBC7) and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it sounded after seeing DAB regularly rubbished here. Indeed. But of course it's fashionable to slag off DAB - even from those who normally listen to their music off low bitrate MP3, etc. To say 128kbps DAB sounds worse than MW is simply nonsense and does no credit to its opponents. I also wonder how many who say 'internet' radio sounds better than DAB are comparing like for like. Do they have a DAB tuner fed into the same sound system as their PC? Or are they comparing their PC sound system to a DAB portable radio? Dave I sometimes wonder if theres something wrong with your hearing;?.. -- Tony Sayer |
Internet radio - classical music, etc
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... I also wonder how many who say 'internet' radio sounds better than DAB are comparing like for like. Do they have a DAB tuner fed into the same sound system as their PC? Or are they comparing their PC sound system to a DAB portable radio? I'm no great enthusiast for the concept of "internet radio". I appreciate "Listen Again" to allow me to catch up on Radio 4 programmes I have missed, but the quality is crap, so I don't bother with internet music. But as I said I was pleasantly surprised by DAB, it sounded fine to me. David. |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: I also wonder how many who say 'internet' radio sounds better than DAB are comparing like for like. Do they have a DAB tuner fed into the same sound system as their PC? Or are they comparing their PC sound system to a DAB portable radio? Dave I sometimes wonder if theres something wrong with your hearing;?.. There's definitely something wrong with yours if you agree DAB sounds worse than MW. -- *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... In article , tony sayer wrote: Have a look at Bayern Klassik 4 and France Musique dunno what their like on the net but there're sure good on Satellite:)).. URLs? The problem I am having is that searches via google and some of the specific pages on this don't seem to turn up the listings of stations I'd expect. No idea why. Maybe I'm not choosing the correct search strings or whatever... Radio Webcast - Free Streaming Classical Music: http://www.classicalwebcast.dds.nl/ Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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tony sayer wrote:
In article , Mike O'Sullivan scribeth thus Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , James R wrote: Why bother with the radio when you can listen through a PC. As always, if it is "digital" it's crap - so sounds like a Medium wave station on a good day. Some stations are mono with low bitrates like the "crystal clear" DAB system the UK was inflicted with. Worse than FM stereo! You may not have noticed that Mr Lesurf is mainly interested in classical music and R3 uses a higher bitrate than other DAB stations. Not consistantly. They use (barely acceptable) 192 kbps in the evening, but frequently this drops to 160 during the day. For a serious state broadcaster the BBC could use 256 K or better on satellite but they steadfastly refuse to do so. I normally listen on FM of course, but yesterday I checked on the bit rate on Radio 4 yesterday morning and it was 128 kbps. Noticeably inferior to FM. |
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