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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


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Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't
say there was any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was going
to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was going
through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob

My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised.

S.
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http://audiopages.googlepages.com
Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.

S.
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http://audiopages.googlepages.com

The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are a bit
like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to be driven by
some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term) and bits of dirt get
onto the flat surface of this and cause little hicups so it can skip, it
always played better angled slightly forward. Also it had very massive bits
so it could not really respond fast to jogs, and with no memory either no
compensation for loss of tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could drill a
1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

Brian

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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Serge Auckland wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on
the bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


--
Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't
say there was any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was
going to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was
going through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob

My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised.

S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com
Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.

S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

Brian Gaff wrote:
The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are a bit
like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to be driven by
some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term) and bits of dirt get
onto the flat surface of this and cause little hicups so it can skip, it
always played better angled slightly forward. Also it had very massive bits
so it could not really respond fast to jogs, and with no memory either no
compensation for loss of tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could drill a
1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

It didn't last time I tried it. 2mm holes were no problem.
I think the limit is supposed to be 2.3mm.
I must find a crap CD and test it again.

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Eiron.

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are
a bit like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to
be driven by some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term)
and bits of dirt get onto the flat surface of this and cause little
hicups so it can skip, it always played better angled slightly
forward. Also it had very massive bits so it could not really respond
fast to jogs, and with no memory either no compensation for loss of
tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could
drill a 1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

It didn't last time I tried it. 2mm holes were no problem.
I think the limit is supposed to be 2.3mm.
I must find a crap CD and test it again.

--
Eiron.




..... but put a fingerprint on it and..........


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Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody" wrote in message
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.... but put a fingerprint on it and..........

Wash it off, with soap and water (try doing that with an LP!)

David.

Serge Auckland wrote:

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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Serge Auckland wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100
the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on
the bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


--
Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206,
couldn't say there was any obvious difference, even though the
Meridian was going to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the
Marantz was going through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob

My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a
transport with a complete unit, redigitised.

S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com
Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they
only have SP-DIF inputs.

S.

Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never
know though.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never know
though.


Errr..... isn't that exactly what he said he'd done?

David.

David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
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Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never know
though.


Errr..... isn't that exactly what he said he'd done?

David.


From Serge's post:

"My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised."

So, no.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
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David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
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Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never
know though.


Errr..... isn't that exactly what he said he'd done?

David.


From Serge's post:

"My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised."

So, no.

Oh blimey!. Serge said that his speakers ONLY have digital inputs,

quote
Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.
unquote

You even included that part in your previous post,so you must have seen it.
It follows, therefore, that an entirely analogue path from CD player to
speakers is not possible. What Serge did was to take the *analogue* output
of the Marantz and reconvert to digital purely in order to get it into his
speakers.

It seems plain enough to me!

David.

David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
m...
David Looser wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
m...
Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never
know though.

Errr..... isn't that exactly what he said he'd done?

David.

From Serge's post:

"My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised."

So, no.

Oh blimey!. Serge said that his speakers ONLY have digital inputs,

quote
Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.
unquote

You even included that part in your previous post,so you must have seen it.
It follows, therefore, that an entirely analogue path from CD player to
speakers is not possible. What Serge did was to take the *analogue* output
of the Marantz and reconvert to digital purely in order to get it into his
speakers.

It seems plain enough to me!

Ah yes, fair enough, got it now!

Rob